Will Vanheim Ever Become Spayed?

[Foodstamp]

^^^ Totally agree, if your next to an aggressive Vanheim player in a multiplayer game, your pretty much SOL.

Later on in the game, players can team up against vanheim, but early in the game, no one wants to be the guy unfortunate enough to be their neighbor.

[Potatoman]

Isn't Helheim essentially vanheim with better bless troops?

[Shovah32]

For EA ctis (though ive never been successful with them) i would say skele spam with runners to hit the rear/archers(hopefully getting to mages/commanders) and possibly chariots to disrupt the enemy.

[Huzurdaddi]

I tried out the skelly spam. The results were not encouraging for you Nick.

I was setup as follows:
Van had 25 Vans + 1 Prophet.

C'tis had 80 HI + 1 Lizard King to use as "chaff". I then varied the number of sauramancers until C'tis won.

1) At a 1-4 ratio of Sauramancers to Helhirdlings (ie: 6 Sauramancers ) C'tis got smashed. Usually inflicting 2 losses to Van and losing all units in the process.

2) At a 1-3 ratio of Sauramancers to Helhirdlings (ie: 8 Sauramancers ) C'tis got crushed but inflicted more losses. Around 2-5 Helhirdlings got killed per combat.

3) At a 1-2 ratio of Sauramancers to Helhirdlings (ie: 12 Sauramancers ) C'tis wins consistently.

Just for fun I tried one time with a Scorpion King pretender ( with a nice F4 fire shield ) in front of block of HI. I figured that the Vans would get stuck on the Prot-20, fire immune pretender and they would then get swamped. I forgot that the Vans have lightlances ( and 39 AP ). The Scorpion king died on the initial charge

[Huzurdaddi]

Resource summary ( in the scenario where C'tis wins )

Code:

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              C'tis        Van

Gold:         3500         1800

Resources:   ~1200         300

Castle Turns: 12           1

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[upstreamedge]

I think the best way to fight vanheim is to get them taking as many morale checks as possible

[Hullu]

I don't know why people even bother to say they're not overpowered.

[Beorne]

Hullu said:
I don't know why people even bother to say they're not overpowered.

Perfectly agreed, van it is so clearly overpowered that I think people doen't want it nerfed because they like win easily with them. I like very much Van thematically, but I don't take it in my mp games because I feel it cheating.

The "north world" nations are so clearly better than the "south world" nations, maybe the home countries of the devs influencies ...

[Jack_Trowell]

With early C'tis, you could try using chariots with an order to attack cavalry, trampling vans should be a good way tu hurt them, no ?

Even if you loose, it should cost them more than you. (at least I hope)

[Folket]

C'tis also have poison slingers with area effect and 50% poison resistance on thier national troops. Could be worth investigating.