Will Vanheim Ever Become Spayed?

[Aseth]

ok, stupid iron numbers:
early era

Van - 25 sacred vans with w9f9 bless,5 sacred van comanders(1 of them prophet),dominion 5, 3 order -3res 2drain 3 misfortune

C`Tis - 4 sauromancers, 1 Lizard King (Prophet),120 HI,3 lvl enchant reserched, dominion 5, 3 order, 3res, 3grows, 2 hot, 1 magic, 3 misfortune

C`Tis lose 20 battles from 20... sad

BUT now some MEGA-MAGIC-STRATEGIC-HINT, change 120 HI for
50Elite Warriors & 80 Slave Warriors(yep, i have so much money for them because of GOOD scales)

C`Tis win 20 battles from 20... hmmmm... what is wrong... Ou! Bingo! HI usless against so-heavy-hitting & hi-def troops, but little Slave-Lizards kick them... It`s miracle my friends! (all Slave-Lizards die)

next, change 80 Slave Warriors to 20 Chariots
C`Tis win 20 battles from 20... and even some troops exept Sauromancers survive!

[Shovah32]

I thought elite warriors would do better vrs van. Duel to lower resources they can be massed faster and with 2 attacks(with decent skills on elite warriors) they can hit them hard. You used the sauros near the flanks right?

[Aseth]

i use Sauromanser & all other forces of C`Tis in the far left (back)
in the center to spam big cloud of skeletons.
All forces of Van - far right (forvard),for faster entering combat.

to Edi here your`s hard numbers

[Shovah32]

I used to do a similar set-up with ctis but, ive found putting the sauromancers out towards the flanks a little top/bottom(left/right) allows skeletons to reach combat faster(moving round rather than through your army) and helps defend vrs flankers.

[Aseth]

yep, tested, flanks is better, now with Chariots even more Lizard survives (about 10 chariots & some 10-20 Slaves)

[Shovah32]

So im guessing chariots remove alot of mirror images, skeletons protect the flanks and when the 2 forces meet the larger ctissian force of skeletons and slaves overwhelms the now weakened van force?
I have 2 other tests for you and im not sure how they will go.
1)try basic(non-sacred) EA van/helm troops with glamour(the fairly cheap guys) and see how that goes
2)Use the sacred vrs ctis set-up and try to find a way for vanheim to win with that force.

[Graeme Dice]

Shovah32 said:
So im guessing chariots remove alot of mirror images, skeletons protect the flanks and when the 2 forces meet the larger ctissian force of skeletons and slaves overwhelms the now weakened van force?

It's also a comparison of EA Vanheim and C'Tis, which is quite a bit less one-sided than EA Helheim vs. C'Tis. Van's sacreds go berserk once hit, losing them both their mirror images and several points of defense at the same time.

[Aseth]

Shovah32 said:
So im guessing chariots remove alot of mirror images, skeletons protect the flanks and when the 2 forces meet the larger ctissian force of skeletons and slaves overwhelms the now weakened van force?

no, Slaves & Skels was set a bit forward as meatshield, and Chariots was on the flancs scripted "hold & attack closest", so they not only remove mirror images - but kill with trample almost all Van,and skels finish survived(2-6) Vans...

i`ll run other test`s within 12 hours or so...

[PDF]

Aseth said:
ok, stupid iron numbers:
early era

Van - 25 sacred vans with w9f9 bless,5 sacred van comanders(1 of them prophet),dominion 5, 3 order -3res 2drain 3 misfortune

C`Tis - 4 sauromancers, 1 Lizard King (Prophet),120 HI,3 lvl enchant reserched, dominion 5, 3 order, 3res, 3grows, 2 hot, 1 magic, 3 misfortune

C`Tis lose 20 battles from 20... sad

BUT now some MEGA-MAGIC-STRATEGIC-HINT, change 120 HI for
50Elite Warriors & 80 Slave Warriors(yep, i have so much money for them because of GOOD scales)

C`Tis win 20 battles from 20... hmmmm... what is wrong... Ou! Bingo! HI usless against so-heavy-hitting & hi-def troops, but little Slave-Lizards kick them... It`s miracle my friends! (all Slave-Lizards die)

next, change 80 Slave Warriors to 20 Chariots
C`Tis win 20 battles from 20... and even some troops exept Sauromancers survive!

What blessings did have Vanheim ? It all hangs up on that, Vans aren't very money-effective without bless , and the Ctis units you've used aren't sacred...

[Aseth]

Van - w9+f9 bless
C`Tis - god with w9 bless for test Ctis Sacred Dancers (all Dancers died in tests don`t even scratch Vans,so i didn`t post these tests), but Slaves & Chariots not sacred.