Will Vanheim Ever Become Spayed?

[Ozymandias]

I sort of like the idea of making Van capitol only and adding a Mounted Vanir Hirdman unit to ME Vanheim. Alternately, I think that a twenty to thirty gold price increase on Van and Helhirdling wouldn't be an excessive nerf. Both would likely be too much. Restricting Van to capitol only would likely mean that at least some ME Vanheim players would switch entirely to the nonsacred cavalry, and probably field a really souped up Allfather again. Increasing the cost wouldn't change the way Vanheim plays much, but might bring them in line with other nations expansion speed.

In any case I really really don't want MA Vanheim to take the sort of heavy handed beating that the Vampire Queen got when the dom 2 forum raised a similar fuss about her. Vanheim was my favorite nation in dom ppp; it would be terrible if they ended up as awesome flavor text on otherwise unusable and overpriced units.

[Corwin]

Ozymandias said:
I sort of like the idea of making Van capitol only and adding a Mounted Vanir Hirdman unit to ME Vanheim. Alternately, I think that a twenty to thirty gold price increase on Van and Helhirdling wouldn't be an excessive nerf. Both would likely be too much. Restricting Van to capitol only would likely mean that at least some ME Vanheim players would switch entirely to the nonsacred cavalry, and probably field a really souped up Allfather again. Increasing the cost wouldn't change the way Vanheim plays much, but might bring them in line with other nations expansion speed.

In any case I really really don't want MA Vanheim to take the sort of heavy handed beating that the Vampire Queen got when the dom 2 forum raised a similar fuss about her. Vanheim was my favorite nation in dom ppp; it would be terrible if they ended up as awesome flavor text on otherwise unusable and overpriced units.

Whenever we talk about "vans" money and resource cost increase, it's important to keep it contained to MA Vanheim and Helheim, since same "van" units are also used in Midgard. However Midgard, as all people here seem to agree, is certainly do not need to be nerfed, since it is clearly much weaker than either Helheim or ME Vanheim.

Perhaps it will be better to have 2 different van units - one for EA/MA, which should be toned down, and one for Midgard, which should be left alone since nerfing it would seriously hurt the nation which is not overpowered in the first place.

[B0rsuk]

Ozymandias said:
Vanheim was my favorite nation in dom ppp; it would be terrible if they ended up as awesome flavor text on otherwise unusable and overpriced units.

I know Dominions2: SC's and Dominions3: F9W9, but Dominions:PPP ? What does PPP stand for ?

[mivayan]

B0rsuk said:What does PPP stand for ?

Dominions: Priests, Prophets & Pretenders

[B0rsuk]

mivayan said:

Dominions: Priests, Prophets & Pretenders

Oh, come on. You know I'm being overly sarcastic.
Was there anything particularly overpowered in Dominions:PPP ?

[Strages Sanctus]

Massive armies of flying monkeys raised on prune juice

[Ozymandias]

PAir Elementals, POrder, & Patrolling maybe?

[B0rsuk]

Oh, now I remember something. I heard there was an 'Attack Commanders' order. I remember someone mentioning you were required to have a staff of storms just to keep your mages alive.

[Teraswaerto]

B0rsuk said:
Oh, now I remember something. I heard there was an 'Attack Commanders' order. I remember someone mentioning you were required to have a staff of storms just to keep your mages alive.

You could just stick your commanders inside the main troop formations to protect them from fliers, although Amulets of Missile Protection were pretty mandatory.

A few things I remember in addition to those are that Gateway worked like Astral Travel, and that scouts could be used to hunt blood slaves. Sphinx could & did Teleport.

[Ozymandias]

I just discovered that indy Crystal Amazons have defense 19 sacred flying cavalry, so Van and Helhirdling aren't the only sacreds with that kind of defense. I'm starting think that a modest price increase for Helhirdlings and Van of both eras is sufficient.