[OT] More George Lucas bashing.

[Suicide Junkie]

Atrocities said:
Walkers are not really praticle weapons of war, they are mainly TERROR weapons.

When they are total crap in actual combat, they will quickly cease to be Terror weapons as soon as somebody fights back.

For example, how scary are Jaffa and their staff weapons in SG1? Sure they look scary, but when you shoot them they die, and they're big, noisy and use slow flashy weapons.

Walkers take that slow, flashy and vulnerable to a whole new level. Target practice.

Orbital Bombardment ftw

[Spectarofdeath]

I'm with SJ on this one. Seriously, if you want to wipe out the rebel base, why do you send in troops first? I mean come on, two droids, one jedi, one smuggler, one princess and one farmboy are able to elude hordes (not to mention all the ones they killed) of your soldiers on (probably) the biggest base in the galaxy (which you constructed, why aren't those troops being trained better?!?) And you call for a "Ground invasion".

[Hugh Manatee]

They had the shield generators focused over the base and the weapons platform that could disable a whole ISDII for several minutes. Now logic says you could have immolated the areas around the shield turning the planet into uninhabitable slag with a boiling atmosphere but that would have been a boring plot device and I think vader wanted most of them alive so they HAD to invade the base under the shield.

IMO the AT-AT(elephant) walkers were cool, but just a flawed design, like most of the imperial crap(IE fighters without shields, the shoot here buttons, the blindspot behind a star destroyer ect, they just don't give a crap about the safety of their troops they just want big guns for cheap. I'm thinking that hydraulics are bound to be cheaper then an antigrav nit and may require less power to opperate). For one thing the guns only cover about 180 degrees or less in front of the thing, if they had put a turret on top, maybe a few SAM launchers, guns in the back, a few on the sides, and a few underneath(like the one that drops out of the falcon when they escape tatooine in Ep4) it could be a dam near unnaproachable walking fortress.

They were however covered by the AT-ST(chicken) walkers, so their exposed rears would have been covered save for the retarded marksmanship of the imperial gunners they should have been fine. And they did route the rebels from the base.

[Suicide Junkie]

You could still just drop bombs on them. Slow stuff goes through the shield as witness the ground invasion, then Blammo.

Another very easy way would be to have a ground-hugging tank roll in, and deploy a nuke. Everything on the surface gets slagged, in particular turrets and shields, and then you can take prisoners from inside the base to interrogate.

Or sit back and siege them for a little while... big shields must take a ton of power to operate, and you only have to threaten to fire to force them to keep it up.

Or, why not fire back with a similar weapon. Disable the base systems, then slag the defenses, then you win.

[Suicide Junkie]

BTW, if the ATs are too heavy, then legs are an extremely bad idea for propulsion. Treads would be tougher, faster, have more traction and spread the weight better over weak surfaces (such as ice).

[narf poit chez BOOM]

Really, the only place walkers are better are in really rough terrain.

[Barnacle Bill]

narf poit chez BOOM said:
Really, the only place walkers are better are in really rough terrain.

Then only if the walkers are much more nimble than portrayed in SW...

[HoneyBadger]

Yeah, Chewie is cool forever (and screw whichever author claims that he "gave his life to save some Jedi brat" nonsense, and screw Lucas for giving the ok on letting someone write that kind of crap). Jarjar does things with goats in hell that, were I to detail them, would get me banned from this forum forever. The guy who played him was twice the actor (and gave twice the performance) that the actors playing Anakin and Amidala were in the movie, though, I will say that much. It's a shame too, because I really like Natalie Portman as an actress. Even Samuel L "Explitive-YOU!" Jackson was a little off in the movies.

Jedi aren't supposed to get married, they're not supposed to have sex, and they play with light-sabres. Yeah, I would too. My take on Mitochondria is that George read or played Parasite Eve and liked the idea so much he stole it.
Apparently, he's a big Japanophile (I am too, so this isn't really George Lucas-bashing in and of itself, it means you dig Japanese things/culture) so that makes sense.

Atleast they didn't totally screw up with Yoda. Yoda's my favorite, and within the boundaries of the bad going on in the movies, they managed to atleast give good Yoda. Ian McDairmid easily gave the best performance in the movies, followed closely by Christopher Lee, Liam Neeson, and Ewan McGregor.

There are bad spots in the movie, and there are good spots. Overall, I think some really skilled editor with plenty of CGI could fix the first three movies into something more than just watchable.

One thing I will say though, Star Wars was fantasy, was intended to be fantasy, remains fantasy. It's just not and never has been science fiction, let alone HARD science fiction. It just dresses up in science fiction's clothes, calls itself "Sheila", and goes to bars to pick up men. And so all the stupid bits that we can look at and say "that's just plain silly" were done for effect, not based on reason.

[Atrocities]

Those damn EWOKS. The Empire was defeated by a bunch of teddy bears!!! Only, and I do mean this, ONLY George Lucas could think of such a STUPID way of defeating the most powerful galatic empire of all time. F**king warrior teddy bears.

[Spectarofdeath]

Ewoks are midget wookies, no wonder they kicked *** lol