Luck/Misfortune Nerf.

Meglobob · #1 January 13th, 2007, 03:41 AM

I very much like the entire current luck/misfortune mechanics as they ARE. As someone who always usually plays with extreme luck/misfortune, events both good/bad have never been totally responsible for me losing or winning a game.

Those mechanics should be left AS THEY ARE. Developers time would be better spent on other changes.

Anybody blaming luck/misfortune on losing a game or having there game spoiled is really using it as an EXCUSE for there own poor gameplay.

HoneyBadger · #2 January 13th, 2007, 04:07 AM

That's hardly the case, Meglobob. Even Gandalf seems to think the idea has some merit, and he's hardly an example of a poor player.

I often play with extreme luck/misfortune, and when I do, it's a strategic choice. I'm not making any excuses, or claims about my ability as a player of the game. I'm simply pointing out an area of the game that seems far too arbitrary and can potentially reduce the enjoyment of the game for many people, not just a few.

And I never said I'd lost a game because of a bad luck event, I've just had the fun sucked out of the experience for far longer than any choices of mine would merit.

TwoBits · #3 January 13th, 2007, 08:10 AM

Having your home province trashed by renegade vampire-counts in the second turn should hardly be considered an "excuse". I rate it up there with having the computer start you on a one-province island (what the heck is up with that?) as an immediate game ending scenario.

Twan · #4 January 13th, 2007, 11:49 AM

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Meglobob said:Anybody blaming luck/misfortune on losing a game or having there game spoiled is really using it as an EXCUSE for there own poor gameplay.

Have you already had a true disaster on your capitol in the very first turns in a mp game, like losing half your capitol population, or having it invaded by a vampire count or bogus in turn 2, etc.. ?

Note that Luck/Misfortune has nothing to do with it as misfortune is no longer a condition for the worst events (unlike in dom2 I think), but some of them may make you lose a game no matter how your gameplay is.

Gandalf Parker · #5 January 13th, 2007, 02:30 PM

I wouldnt say that blaming a bad event is just poor gameplay. But the possibility of disastrous events and having to play around it is a strong element in Solo play. I wouldnt want to see it nerfed.

On the other hand, I can see that the dedicated Multi-Player people might really hate it. They want the winner to be able to say that they won by superior strategy.

So I would be more behind the idea of spreading out the command options for a game so that instead of just rare or common, we could have a range of something like 0-5 (nothing to insane). That way the MPers can have challenge ladders that run at 0, and I can have chaos-map games that run at 5.

Its a common suggestion to any developer of any game. "Please Mr Programmer. Can we have something below your most extreme logical setting, and above your most insane choice? Because no matter what you feel is a who-would-want-it setting, I can gaurantee that someone will request it."

HoneyBadger · #6 January 13th, 2007, 05:39 PM

And that's all I want, Gandalf. More options.

Teraswaerto · #7 January 13th, 2007, 06:13 PM

When you effect the frequency of random events it also effects the value of the luck/misfortune scale.

Ideally, changing the frequency of random events would also change the frequency of events in such a way that the scale is always equally valuable in design points.

HoneyBadger · #8 January 13th, 2007, 06:17 PM

Yes, but the ability to restrict random events is already in the game, so this is nothing new.

Gandalf Parker · #9 January 13th, 2007, 06:35 PM

Its in the game but not enough. Obviously not restrictive enough for some in this thread, and not wild enough for me.

Meglobob · #10 January 13th, 2007, 06:41 PM

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Twan said:

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Meglobob said:Anybody blaming luck/misfortune on losing a game or having there game spoiled is really using it as an EXCUSE for there own poor gameplay.

Have you already had a true disaster on your capitol in the very first turns in a mp game, like losing half your capitol population, or having it invaded by a vampire count or bogus in turn 2, etc.. ?

Note that Luck/Misfortune has nothing to do with it as misfortune is no longer a condition for the worst events (unlike in dom2 I think), but some of them may make you lose a game no matter how your gameplay is.

Got to admit I have'nt...

No vampire counts, bogus, 1/2 population in the first few turns...must be naturally lucky!