Where are default Country Training/Morale points?

DRG · #1 January 14th, 2007, 02:56 PM

Every nation has a different set of numbers. If you want to find out what they are pick a year and a nation and take a look. You can go through all 92 nations for whatever year you have set by going to the "Allies" button and picking the next nation on the list. When you are buying allies in a game you are buying their experience and moral. If you buy them as "captured" you are buying them with the main nations experience and moral. Both values may ( or may not ) change from decade to decade so don't assume what you see for 1956 is going to be the same as 1996

Don

Kuklinovsky · #2 January 14th, 2007, 03:27 PM

Thanks for information!

I have checked some nations and I am quite confused! Let's take 1944 values:

- "R" nation is set as Tito's partisans by default. Their base experience is 60. It is possible in respect of regular combat. But their morale fixed at 60 is completely inadequate! Yugoslavian partisans were fierce fighters. Many times their were able to defeat Nazi occupation forces even in regular battles.

- Polish morale is really funny! As we know there are two Polish armies in the game subordinated to Polish Government-in-exile (PSZ/AK) and Polish communists in USSR (LWP) respectively. Unfortunately I don't know why PSZ has morale 75 and LWP has 65 points. Eventually they are one nation units!

DRG · #3 January 14th, 2007, 03:47 PM

OK first to clarify

I've been back and forth between the two game forums so much today I forgot I was in the WW2 forum when I wrote this. In WinSPWW2 the moral and experiece is NOT done by decade but by year

Re Poland. NO not ONE nations units. One was a Polish army trained and fighting with the Western Armies in NW Europe and one was a force picked up and formed as the Russians moved through Poland. NOT the same at all

Don

Kuklinovsky · #4 January 14th, 2007, 04:39 PM

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Re Poland. NO not ONE nations units. One was a Polish army trained and fighting with the Western Armies in NW Europe and one was a force picked up and formed as the Russians moved through Poland. NOT the same at all

If so, I suppose their "Base Experience" parameters should be different but both are identical: 70 points! But why their morale differs so considerably???

DRG · #5 January 14th, 2007, 05:40 PM

Yeah well, maybe we should reduce the LWP experience. It shouldn't be higher than Russia. Good catch

Don

Tiger_Reyth · #6 January 14th, 2007, 05:49 PM

whew glad that was settled it was getting pretty tight in here...

T_R

Nox · #7 January 14th, 2007, 08:15 PM

Might want to increase the Finns morale slightly too at least in 1944. Currently they are at 65 same as Sweden?

narwan · #8 January 15th, 2007, 12:07 AM

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Kuklinovsky said:
Thanks for information!

I have checked some nations and I am quite confused! Let's take 1944 values:

- "R" nation is set as Tito's partisans by default. Their base experience is 60. It is possible in respect of regular combat. But their morale fixed at 60 is completely inadequate! Yugoslavian partisans were fierce fighters. Many times their were able to defeat Nazi occupation forces even in regular battles.

'R' is NOT set as the yugoslay partisan OB.

From the game manual:
"Yugoslavia OOB020

1930-1946

This OB covers the Yugoslav nation, and then the various partisan factions of the area... "

Narwan

Tiger_Reyth · #9 January 15th, 2007, 12:26 AM

O man just wen I thot there was gonna be peace...

I surrender!

T_R

Nox · #10 January 20th, 2007, 02:10 PM

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DRG said:
So my question to you is why should the Finns, finding themselves on the losing side in a major war and having to switch sides have higher morale than the Swedes who stayed out of it or higher than the Germans whos side they are on ? And also the Finns have a higher experience than the Swedes so the two combined make the Finns a tougher opponent. In the game the Finns are equal for both Experience and Morale to the Germans. Why should they be higher ?

Don

Well Ive been thinking this long and all I can say is that the Finns lacked neither morale nor experience in the fighting of summer 1944 against the Russians. One thing that helped there was the fact that after the initial advance of 1941 it was trench warfare until the Soviets launched their summer offensive in June 1944.

The war in Lapland from Sep 1944- Apr 1945 against the Germans I cant really say much about since I have not studied it in any great detail. I do know that the Finns fighting there were mostly new recruits due to Soviet demand that the veterans must be send home, so experience and most likely morale too was lower in that war.

Well It is no big deal really and a difference of 5 is probably little effect on actual game play. I just thought that maybe there was some kind of error since the finnish morale values suddenly go from 70 to 65 in 1943 and especialy in 1944 when the decisive fighting took place.