OT: Eve On Line

[Santiago]

Played for about 18 months- If you have a thin skin, you'll consider most players griefers, which is why its also known as grief online. It does have a fairly high learning curve. I left because the game is becoming more oriented toward large groups called alliances (blob warfare)at the expense of small groups/solo players, Lag, unresponsive customer support, farmers, and the lead dev's belief that alliance politics is more important than everything else.

Other than that it was fun for awhile. Actually I preferred Earth and Beyond due to its more cooperative nature (no PvP) while in Eve its watch your back and trust no one which is sort of counter-intuitive to its premise of corporation/ alliance cooperation.

High Security space is fun for afk, chatting, goofing around, while in low sec space you need to be on your toes and keep a sharp eye out. 0.0 space is supposedly lawless but with alliances controlling it, some areas are safer than hi sec. . unless some war is going on.

[Atrocities]

The alliance grouping is the one thing that many people sight as why they leave the game. Yet the people running EVE don't do anything to move people away from this. I have played games simular to EVE, but without the graphics, before and the joy and fun of playing often gets sucked out because of this. In order to survive you must join an alliance, and thus eventually turning the game from a thing of enjoyment, into a job. This Job feel is why I gave up on Galaxies, and a bunch of web based games like Planterion, and Earth 2045.

I had hoped that EVE would be different, at $15.00 a month to play, I would rather be paid to play than pay to play at a job. Thanks for the info guys.

[NullAshton]

I like Eve. Don't need to constantly level, which is nice, since skills are trained offline. There is a high learning curve, true... and your hard work can be gone in a flash, when someone vaporizes your ship. But ISK is easy to come by really as you get higher up in the game, and as long as you keep your (dirt cheap) clones up to date, you don't lose any skills, and thus you don't use the time invested into the game.

I think that the full PvP system is nice. In 0.0 system there's nothing preventing you from spacing someone except what the player creates, and even with alliances protecting you it's still dangerous. High security systems have no PvP(except corporation wars), but if you wanted to you could spend years in high corporation space with missions and stuff.

[Atrocities]

What stops other more experienced long term players from just killing you the moment they see you? Why invest so much into something if it can be taken from you so easily? Figure you run into someone who has been playing steady for three years now. Imagine they are a jerk and just enjoy killing easy prey because they can. That kind of thing isn't fun at all to the victim and from I have seen, this is the way things are in EVE. You have to stay in "safe" zones forever less you be destroyed by a dominating player.

[Phoenix-D]

Well, they have to FIND you first. Second there are player organizations that frown on things like that, and getting their 3,000,000 isk ship blown up is going to hurt them more than your 30,000 ship.

That said, I can't stand EVE's interface, so I didn't play long.

[Combat Wombat]

I play EVE and have recently converted many other SE players I am in a smaller alliance that controls a portion of 0.0 space. We have our own outpost we recently constructed. We do all kinds of fleet combat and it is a great group if people. I would be happy to help anyone get started in the game. We have a great corp you can join in Empire space till you are experienced enough to come out to 0.0(lawless space) with me.

It is a good game but there are alot of places it could be better but it is the only game of its kind. So you get what you get.

[Artaud]

I've been playing Eve for more than a year. Fun game, but I tend to play solo and therefore have rarely ventured into 0.0 space. I'm in a 'casual players' corp that some stupid pirate corp has recently declared war on, so I may be going back to a NPC corp soon.

I'm not into pvp and ganking and gate camping. The stupid wars get on my nerves. I play games to relax, not to lose all the stuff I've got to some gate camping jerk.

What corp and alliance are you in, Combat Wombat?

[Combat Wombat]

Artaud said:
I've been playing Eve for more than a year. Fun game, but I tend to play solo and therefore have rarely ventured into 0.0 space. I'm in a 'casual players' corp that some stupid pirate corp has recently declared war on, so I may be going back to a NPC corp soon.

I'm not into pvp and ganking and gate camping. The stupid wars get on my nerves. I play games to relax, not to lose all the stuff I've got to some gate camping jerk.

What corp and alliance are you in, Combat Wombat?

corp ticker is EMD and the alliance is Rule of Three

[MrToxin]

Atrocities said:
What stops other more experienced long term players from just killing you the moment they see you? Why invest so much into something if it can be taken from you so easily? Figure you run into someone who has been playing steady for three years now. Imagine they are a jerk and just enjoy killing easy prey because they can. That kind of thing isn't fun at all to the victim and from I have seen, this is the way things are in EVE. You have to stay in "safe" zones forever less you be destroyed by a dominating player.

Not necessarily...I spend a good deal of time out in "unsafe" areas digging at asteroids, running missions, and flying around with a buddy or two from time to time. You just need to know how to handle unsafe space.

That's why I made the carebear comment, though...EVE gets a bad rap partly because of the alliance thing and partly because of the "OMGZ, lose your ship to vet, garrrgggh!!!" thing. That's why it isn't for everyone. It isn't a game where you can just run around randomly with relative impunity. That is one of the things I like about it.

Don't simply look at why people leave. Rather, consider what you want in a game and look at why people STAY. If fleet combat and alliances aren't your thing, EVE is not for you. If feeling perfectly safe no matter where you are is your thing, EVE is not for you. That's just how the game is.

Despite what people might tell you, griefing shmucks that have nothing better to do than pwn nubs are actually relatively uncommon. See, you can round up a posse and go smash them. In fact, Goonfleet tends to use the Massive Horde of Newbs strategy to cause a ruckus. Take a big horde of new players, give them all the cheap ships they can get blown up, and tell them what needs killed.

[Artaud]

MrToxin said:
...Don't simply look at why people leave. Rather, consider what you want in a game and look at why people STAY. If fleet combat and alliances aren't your thing, EVE is not for you...

Well, maybe I should leave, then. Truth is, I have not played very much over the last few months.

As I said, I tend to like to do my thing when I feel like it. I work hard and when I come home I like to relax. I hate being in an alliance where somebody is telling me when I need to log on and what I have to do when I log on.

I have a boss and a wife, so I just don't need another situation where I am obligated to do something for some stranger.

That's the big problem with online games, IMHO.

TBH it kind of bothers me when people say 'Eve is a pvp game' or 'Eve is a group game' or 'Let's force people out of NPC corps and into player corps.'

My understanding is that Eve is whatever each player wants it to be. Whether or not the player plays solo, it's up to them, and nobody has the right to judge them.