obat36 East Germany

[mr_clark]

Shan said:
mr_clark: I assume you speak german, so get the book I mentioned above, and if you're mostly into tanks, there's another one by Mr. Spielberger on NVA's tanks with even more details, I havent seen it though.

Hmm I'll to get a look at it. Though I personally don't really like Motorbuch, they're quite biased sometimes. (IV'e got a horrible book on Green Berets from 'em...)

[Smersh]

anyone know why DDR BTR-60/70 aren't given any AP ammo for their 14.7mm guns? without it you can't damage even lightly armoured APCs.

[narwan]

Smersh said:
anyone know why DDR BTR-60/70 aren't given any AP ammo for their 14.7mm guns? without it you can't damage even lightly armoured APCs.

Same for their BRDM-2 variant, btw.

[DRG]

Smersh said:
anyone know why DDR BTR-60/70 aren't given any AP ammo for their 14.7mm guns? without it you can't damage even lightly armoured APCs.

That has been corrected ( as well as the SPW-40P2 )in the V3 OOBs for East Germany and a few others as well

Don

[Smersh]

thanks alot, really nice work guys.

[Shan]

mr_clark said:

Hmm I'll to get a look at it. Though I personally don't really like Motorbuch, they're quite biased sometimes. (IV'e got a horrible book on Green Berets from 'em...)

About the book again: Believe me, this one is something different... not that kind of Tom Clancy-Style crap. And it was quite cheap, too.

[Shan]

Unit 718 - 2S3m - introduction was from 1978-1986 (currently available in the game from 01/88!), ammo loadout: 46 grenades (usually 4 of them HEAT);

Unit 39 - SFL M1974 (= 2S1): introduced 1981-1988 (currently 1976)

T-72s: The first 35 were delivered in 1978 (currently available from 01/1973!);

source: as above -

Kopenhagen, Wilfried: Die Landstreitkräfte der NVA, Motorbuch Verlag, Stuttgart; 2. Auflage, 1999; ISBN 3-613-01943-4

[DRG]

Shan said:
Unit 718 - 2S3m - introduction was from 1978-1986 (currently available in the game from 01/88!), ammo loadout: 46 grenades (usually 4 of them HEAT);

Unit 39 - SFL M1974 (= 2S1): introduced 1981-1988 (currently 1976)

So there was no SP arty in the East German Army after 1988 ????

Don

[Shan]

So this thread has been 'unlocked again?

Anyway - with introduction I meant: delivers, entry into service... of course these systems (2S1 and 2S3) were available until the reunification.

[DRG]

I originally locked it, if you bother to read what I actually wrote , because this one was getting too large and dealt with a lot of issues that had already been repaired in the EG OOB . I suggested a new "East German" thread could be started that dealt with more recent OOB issues but nobody started a new thread so I unlocked this one so I could ask this question because your original answer was ambiguous.

It is not common practice to refer to a unit with a range of "introduction" dates. It's not the least bit important for game purposes that units were bought over an 8 year time period and when you wrote that the 2S3m was "introduced" from 1978-1986 it sounded like that was the in and out of service dates. There are plenty of weapons systems that exist for less time or are taken OOS due to goverment cutbacks. All we are interested in is when they were first put into service and when they went out of service. It's not important that it took 8 years to buy them all and there is no reason to assume that .... "of course these systems (2S1 and 2S3) were available until the reunification" when I am given a range of dates

This issue has now been corrected in the EG OOB

Don