WinSPMBTver3.0 Info

[Kuklinovsky]

Hello "western" guys! I have bad news for you!

I have found that PRP-4 arty recon vehicle introduced 1984 HAD THERMAL IMAGER in addition to GSR radar! It is proof that USSR HAD thermal sight technology in 1980s! I am sure its further implementations on Soviet helos, UAVs and tanks will be also discovered sooner or later!

Here you are PRP-4 description taken from Worldwide Equipment Guide (WEG):

The hull of the PRP-4 is virtually identical to the BMP-1 although, as it has a different mission, the layout of the vehicle and roof hatches is very different.
The driver is seated front left with the power pack to his right and another crew member seated to his rear. Both have single-piece hatch covers and associated observation devices. The two-man power-operated turret is in the centre of the vehicle and is provided with two roof hatches, sensors and a single 7.62 mm PKT machine gun.

Optical devices are mounted on the forward part of the roof and in pods on either side of the turret.

Mounted in the rear of the turret is the 1RL133M-1 "Tall Mike" radar (operating band: I (9.0 GHz), detection range (personnel): 3.0 km, detection range (vehicle): 12 km) with a flat antenna that folds forwards when not operational.

The 1PN59 Thermal Imaging Night Vision Device (the 1PN71 model in PRP-4M) is mounted on the left side of the turret and has a target detection range of at least 3,000 m and a target recognition range of at least 2,000 m.

Mounted on the right side of the turret is the 1PN61 infrared night vision device with a detection range in the active mode of 2,500 to 3,000 m and 1,500 m in the passive mode.

To determine the range to targets, a 1D11M-1 periscope laser binocular rangefinder is also fitted in the right side of the turret. An ID13 laser rangefinder is carried inside the vehicle and deployed away from the vehicle when required.

Navigation equipment fitted includes course plotter KP-4, gyro course indicator 1G13 and gyrocompass 1G25-1.

Information processing and communications equipment fitted includes a 1V250 electronic calculator, an R-173 radio system and a 1A30M automatic command receiver.

The fifth crew member is seated in the rear and has a circular roof hatch that opens to the rear. The twin doors in the hull are retained but the vehicle does not have any firing ports.

As the PRP-4 has extensive communications equipment and other systems that need additional power, an auxiliary power unit is fitted as standard.

The PRP-4 retains the amphibious characteristics of the BMP-1 and is fitted with an NBC system as standard; it can also lay its own smoke screen by injecting diesel fuel into the exhaust outlet which is located on the right side of
the hull.

Specifications:

Crew: 5
Combat weight: 13,200 kg
Ground pressure: 0.60 kg/cm2
Length: 6.735 m
Width: 2.94 m
Height: 2.146 m
Ground clearance: 370 mm
Max speed:
(road) 65 km/h
(water) 7 km/h
Range:
(road) 550-600 km
Fording: amphibious
Engine: UTD-20 4-stroke diesel developing 300 hp
NBC system: yes
Night vision equipment: yes

[DRG]

Kuklinovsky said:
Hello "western" guys! I have bad news for you!

I have found that PRP-4 arty recon vehicle introduced 1984 HAD THERMAL IMAGER in addition to GSR radar! It is proof that USSR HAD thermal sight technology in 1980s!

I see..... I have WEG as well. Please tell me where I can find in WEG the info that the PRP-4 ---with the equipment you listed--- was introduced in 1984. If not WEG then any other creditable source will do. I cannot find 1984 mentioned anywhere in WEG in relation to the PRP-4 and that equipment

What I DID find was ..."PRP-3/PRP-4: Artillery reconnaissance vehicle (see p. 6-3). ... Recently, thermal night sights have been introduced with thermal sights (FLIRs) ..."

"Recently" is an interesting word..........nothing about 1984 though. If you have something concrete please do share. I will be happy to ensure that the correct info gets into the game

Don

[Marek_Tucan]

PRP-4M

Note that designation of PRP-4 variant with TI 1PN71 sight is PRP-4M/MU, that implies it definitely ISN'T basic version introduced in 1984 (besides started appearing on exhibitions in late 1990s). Basic PRP-4 was just equipped with better radar than PRP-3 (Tall Mike vs. Small Fred).
Also mentions of this sight (1PN71) started to appear only with BRM-3 recon vehicle, IE 1990's thing as well.

[Kuklinovsky]

Blah, blah, blah Tucano! Your thesis are in shambles so you start to jive! I suggest you to carefully read what I wrote before you begin your jabber.

It is obvious PRP-4 was introduced in 1984. It is also obvious it was equipped with 1PN59 thermal imager because it was the biggest difference between PRP-4 and PRP-3. Also it is obvious that later introduced PRP-4M vehicle had newer 1PN79 thermal sight. And none of your rubbish can change these basic facts.

Resume: Soviets HAD thermal technology in 1980s but they were reluctant to spread it wider across troops because they thought it wasn't necessary in the event of war with NATO in Europe. Also lack of money for TIs wasn't any kind of obstacle for Soviets. USSR always had plenty of cash on arms even at every other expense. That is why all these hidden suggestions that Soviets were shleppers or technologically backwarded savages are a piece of [censored]! But I am sure such suggestions are copasetic for US/UK teens!

PS. Though I try to create Mi-24K with TI in my OOBs, buddy! Western teens can't be allowed to rule on battlefield only because they can get AH-64D with visual set to...60!

[pdoktar]

Funny if you can rule the battlefield of WinSPmbt scale with a single helo, even if it would have vision of 99. Try to revise your tactics before revising the oobs..

[DRG]

Kuklinovsky ...... if you are simply going to ignore what others say and hurl abuse at them then leave this forum, you are wasting everyone's time with your nonsense.

I asked you for REAL info on the Mi-24K and all you can come back with is you'll add TI to it in your OOB's. Really??? ON WHAT EVIDENCE are you adding TI to this??. There is NO evidence that that helicopter used TI only IR

"IRIS wide-angle IR and optical sensor system."

is all that ANY source says this helo carried IR is NOT TI

The only one acting like a "teen" on these forums is you Kuklinovsky. Normally people are warned to modify their behaviour off list. In your case I'll make an exception. Disagreement on this forum is fine, but only in a respectful manner....no more name calling or you're gone.

Don

[Kuklinovsky]

Of course only I am an "acting teen" on this forum because real Western teens are waiting now for WinSPMBT 3.0 impatiently! They will be albe to smash Soviets like Iraqis with pleasure and everything will be fine!

Well, you can't intimidate me bannig from forum becaue I am leaving it myself!

But don't worry. I am sure hordes of combative US/UK teens will join this forum now! :mgreen: