Can I win a war with everyone? Advice?

DrPraetorious · #1 February 1st, 2007, 03:22 AM

I conquered one of my opponents, but it didn't do much good - the remainder were still more than I could handle

. At some point I decided that taking the last of his provinces wasn't worth it and marched my army back home.

I could've finished him off, I suppose, but I didn't think he'd be able to do much (as it turns out, I was wrong.)

Sandman · #2 February 1st, 2007, 07:57 AM

Whatever you do, don't let them know that their strategy is working...

llamabeast · #3 February 1st, 2007, 08:19 AM

You're doomed! Muwahahaha!

(which opponent did you conquer by the way?)

DrPraetorious · #4 February 1st, 2007, 09:49 AM

Vanheim.

Dedas · #5 February 1st, 2007, 10:24 AM

My advice would be to remain passive and trying to hide your strength - play (almost) defeated. Make the other players feel guilty when they smash the small groups of units you - in a (seemingly) hopeless attempt to save yourself - try to defend with. Let them see you as non threatful.
When you've managed the above you can finally start making peace with the strongest (because to them you are most insignificant) of your enemies. Try to offer them something non threatful (to them) in return for your loyalty. Examples would be information or letting them dictate how much area you can have to "live on". Let them think they have total control over your actions.
When that is settled they will focus their energies on the more threatful weaker allies. That will give you some breathing room, but don't make too big moves as the enemy you have come to terms with will start to suspect something.
Play two games, one for your "ally" and one in secrecy. Give him everything he asks for and at the same time build up your forces in a distant province (try to teleport somewhere) you know he will not look at or won't suspect.
At this time your "ally" will probably also be in war one or several other players - players you will help him attack - but at the same time you must make deals with them. Promise them to attack your "lord" from "within" when the time comes. In the meantime you and they attack each other just for show. Let your "lord" see that you are useful and loyal.
But always remember while doing these things: play and act naive, stupid and pathetic, don't show strengths such as resourcefulness, initiative and "cleverness".

When the wall of deceit is built and your "lord" is in war with several others due to you helping him expand his power, you and your allies strike - you strike hard and fast. But try to convince your allies that the operation will not work (you are too "weak") unless they take on his main forces (give them the coordinates you probably have due to being a loyal snake)". When their forces are being blunted you can grab the rich back country regions and finally start building up world domination again.

Remember, mercy can get you far but not against a merciless enemy. So don't try this with those or they will only laugh at you.

Good luck!

llamabeast · #6 February 1st, 2007, 11:03 AM

Wow, that's creepy and dangerous (for everyone else) advice. Glad I can read this too!

To be honest I think that might well work if you were anyone but Niefelheim. But personally, I find the giants and jarls so terrifyingly impervious to almost anything that I'll not feel safe so long as they're around, even in small numbers. Seriously, even one jarl on the loose with a few trinkets can destroy any amount of PD. At least if other people feel like I do, I'm not sure if you can play Niefelheim (N9E9, at least) and have allies. I might just be on my own there though, I'm not sure.

Dedas · #7 February 1st, 2007, 11:26 AM

Indeed, that is the problem with being strong but not the strongest - you can't pretend to be a mouse when you are a buffalo and the hunt is on. You can, however, try to convince the hunters that you are better off alive and on their side (using your strength to their benefit) than dead. Though, to agree on this they must believe that they, whenever they want, can put you down (kill you), or they will see you as a threat. You have at least one good argument on your side to use with this kind of deal: "When you kill me you can't revive me to be able to benefit from my unique (keyword) strengths again". That will perhaps keep you alive for a while, if not you may at least get a turn or two when they think about what they might destroy that can't be replaced. But take heed, most of them will sooner or later come to the conclusion that it is safer to have you dead than to use you as some kind of unreliable weapon that can be pointed in any direction. But by then you've built up a secret strength somewhere so you can strike first. Always strike first. And by that I mean in the mind. Always be one step ahead. The enemy may think they've struck first but that was because you wanted them to.

Ironhawk · #8 February 1st, 2007, 03:01 PM

Make peace with the strongest?? Thats madness! If I was the strongest nation attacking you, I would be the least likely to sue for peace because I had the least to lose. I would drive to your capital and capture it for the gold and gems. No question in my mind.

Your best bet is to convince the weakest player to back off via threats and/or bribes. Then use that as a diplomatic lever to break up the alliance against you.