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February 11th, 2007, 03:55 PM
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Re: Leopard 2A4 and 2A5 inconsistency
Yes definitly the "original" A4 wit the 12cm L44 gun.
That brought up an other fault. As far I can tell after all that research the gun still remains the same... L44 (~Wp94?)
In the swiss OOB (53) it's a L47(Wp94) and later (H1+H2) L55 (Wp95) that change might be happening later (2010?)
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February 19th, 2007, 05:28 PM
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Re: Leopard 2A4 and 2A5 inconsistency
So changes for Swiss (53) LEO2 could be like:
unit 018: Pz 87 LEO (A4)
Weapons
- 12cm L44 Sw87 Gun (W94 - NOT L47)
- 7.5mm MG87 CMG (new W227)
- 7.5mm MG71 AAMG (new W226)
Armor
- Steel 60 13 8 64 21 11 5
- HEAT 71 33 15 110 52 27 12
And a new Icon...
unit 026: Pz LEO WE
Fire Control 45, (EW 3 as a variant in unit 876)
Weapons
- 12cm L44 Sw01 Gun (W95 - NOT L55)
- 12.7 MG93 AAMG (new W228)
- 7.5mm MG87 CMG (new W227)
Armor
- Steel 62 18 10 89 31 16 8
- HEAT 88 42 18 130 62 32 16
And a new Picture and Icon...
unit 027: Pz LEO (A4+)
Weapons
- 12cm L44 Sw96 Gun (W241 - same L44 as Germany in 96)
- same as unit 018
- same as unit 018
Armor
- Steel same as unit 018
- HEAT 72 35 rest same as unit 018
And a new Icon... same as unit 018
and new unit e.g. 877 from about 2010
Pz LEO WE+10
Fire Control 45, Vision 50, EW 3
Weapons
- 12cm L55 Sw10 Gun (W220)
- 12.7 MG93 AAMG (new W228)
- 7.5mm MG87 CMG (new W227)
Armor
- Steel 62 18 10 89 31 16 8
- HEAT 100 55 20 155 63 33 18
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April 12th, 2007, 02:13 PM
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Re: Leopard 2A4 and 2A5 inconsistency
I think we solved the "Swiss problem" with the Pz87 (LEO2)
but what about the "others"?
OOB02 Poland units 020, 022, 023
OOB33 Spain units 030, 031
OOB46 Austria units 019, 020
OOB65 Finland units 022, 023, 024
etc.
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April 12th, 2007, 03:06 PM
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Re: Leopard 2A4 and 2A5 inconsistency
Isn't it just a question of different countries having different specs for their Leopards?
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April 12th, 2007, 04:13 PM
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Re: Leopard 2A4 and 2A5 inconsistency
I've been working on the Austrian OOB together with Siddhi for some time now... Austria bought its Leo2A4s from the Netherlands in the mid-1990s, however, I just discovered that guns and armor are different... can anyone confirm that at least the Netherlands' Leo2s are modelled correctly? Then it would be straightforward - I'd just have to copy&paste them, as they initially did not receive and modifications.
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April 12th, 2007, 04:34 PM
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Re: Leopard 2A4 and 2A5 inconsistency
Ok... I made some more comparisons and found that the Leo2s in the Austrian OOB must have been taken from Germany, copied together with the main guns...
I haven't done any weapon stats modifying so far, so I'll be careful - maybe someone could explain: The weapon only represents the type of ammo used by a particular country, right?
So, if Dutch Leo2s use the WG79 version of the weapon until 12/95 with a Sabot penetration of 50, while Germans use only the WG87 with a Sabot penetration of 66 since 1/87, then this means that the Germans bought better ammo while the Dutch seemed to stick with the old rounds. Therefore, even though I will have to correct armor values (if this can be verified) to Dutch levels, as well as the CMG and AAMG to the FN Mag(which we still continue to use - no MG74 as currently modelled), but the main gun I'll have to use depends on what ammo Austria bought with the Leos - which should be possible for us to find out.
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