Devs somewhere?

reverend · #1 February 14th, 2007, 02:46 PM

It's not that they don't care about the bugs we find, it's just that the current form of listing them is unusable to them.

Gandalf Parker · #2 February 14th, 2007, 03:04 PM

If you check the views on the bug thread you will see that every bug reported gets viewed many times. Its true that the bug thread became something different than the devs wanted but it definetly still serves its purpose.

Manuk · #3 February 14th, 2007, 03:25 PM

we are already at 3.06 wich means that the game was patched enough and devs are actually working.
But lots of bugs seem ignored from the start, maybe because they are tough to get rid of or judged of second priority.
So far im glad darkvision is fixed, miasma dominion, and we got Lanka nation and some new spells. You can say that there�s a lot changed since 3.00

Meglobob · #4 February 14th, 2007, 03:28 PM

Yea, the devs have done a fair amount of work since the game has come out, we are already on 3.06. Also they already have our $$$ so do not need to do it. We have even had a new nation and I believe more will follow.

Beorne · #5 February 15th, 2007, 05:14 AM

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Meglobob said:
Yea, the devs have done a fair amount of work since the game has come out, we are already on 3.06. Also they already have our $$$ so do not need to do it. We have even had a new nation and I believe more will follow.

Lot of people with a second work make lots of effort recovering bugs and making improvement to big projects without my $$$ (Wesnoth, and hundred others). The fact IW has my $$$ make me think they should put more effort, not less.
Another thing is that 90% of the bugs are so small (but there are so many) that could me corrected only putting hands on data files. An example are the lots of little discrepancies in the descriptions, the bugs in the data files found by Edi, and so on. And if the devs think a trident is one handed and not two, it is not a problem, a line in the forum would delete the bug.
And do not tell me "then do it yourself by modding", I don't have time nor, more importantly, your $$$. And modding should be used to add contenent, or eventually, to resolve some banlancing issues not shared by the devs, but not to correct bugs.
Finally hearing that people find bugs and does not report them because K.O. does not look the thread anymore ... well, makes me sad.

PhilD · #6 February 15th, 2007, 06:37 AM

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Beorne said:
Lot of people with a second work make lots of effort recovering bugs and making improvement to big projects without my $$$ (Wesnoth, and hundred others). The fact IW has my $$$ make me think they should put more effort, not less.
Another thing is that 90% of the bugs are so small (but there are so many) that could me corrected only putting hands on data files.

Wesnoth uses the open software model, which is a perfectly valid choice - and yes, it does make it possible for many people to help correct "small bugs".

IW chose not to go this way (another perfectly valid choice), and as a result, they don't benefit from the direct help of players in squashing bugs.

Beorne · #7 February 15th, 2007, 06:56 AM

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PhilD said:
IW chose not to go this way (another perfectly valid choice), and as a result, they don't benefit from the direct help of players in squashing bugs.

Ok, but considering they have it for free, it seems a waste.

Velusion · #8 February 14th, 2007, 03:42 PM

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Gandalf Parker said:
If you check the views on the bug thread you will see that every bug reported gets viewed many times. Its true that the bug thread became something different than the devs wanted but it definetly still serves its purpose.

I fail to see how "Lots of views" = "Serves it's purpose". I thought the thread's purpose was to get bugs fixed?

(waits for the "there are two ways to look at this" Gandalf response)

Rasit · #9 February 14th, 2007, 03:57 PM

If I were to create a proper bug management and bug reporting site do you guys think it would be used?

I have a bug tracker written in php5 that I did for a company a while back that could be extended for this purpose. I also have some empty space at a web host that I could use for the site if the community would find it useful.

Edi · #10 February 14th, 2007, 04:16 PM

I think it would be a good idea, because there is a rather desperate need for a cleaned up list of bugs just so we can see what issues are already reported and which ones are not and to get a good picture of what we can expect to be addressed quickly and which ones we are likely going to have to wait for.

Being able to see outstanding issues in a short form, much like the Dom3 progress page, would be great. So if you feel up to the task, go for it.

There are people like me around who are bound to find a crapload of minor issues during the course of documenting the game. The weapons list alone produced a score of minor issues, the unit list issues are going to easily number over a hundred, most of which will be minor and some of which are very annoying.

I'll be happy to report things I find, but I've my hands full with the documentation so I'm not taking bug list maintenance up on my own. I'm more than willing to keep track of typo reports, which is why I created the thread for them and which somebody even bumped to the top page recently.

Edi