Autocannon ammo loadout of AFVs

DRG · #1 February 21st, 2007, 10:44 AM

DO NOT, under any circumstances take everything on http://www.pmulcahy.com/ as an incontrovertible truth . If you want to use it as a starting point....fine. But then go find another source to back it up but DO NOT use it to prove a point.

The "Pandur" issue has already been brought up on another thread as you noted but so has the M-80 issue and both have been noted for correction on my MBT to-do list.

Don

Shan · #2 February 21st, 2007, 11:14 AM

Okay, thanks for your replies. A division by ten is just a hint, alright, so I'd need to come up with some clear examples where I find the ammo loadout is incorrect - I'll do it if I find some, other than the two previous ones.

And these sources were the first things I found with google - I don't have my own computer here with some hopefully better sources... I just wanted to start the thread for now and, based on your replies, invite anyone to bring up examples.

Shan · #3 February 23rd, 2007, 06:14 AM

The V-150 Commando in its 20mm version carries 6+6 rounds HE/AP in the OOBs where I found it - for example with Trukey: Unit 52; Thailand: Unit 100; now, http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...150-specs.htm; Tanks of the world, ed. 8; and other sources all say it has 200 rounds ready + 200 reserve, 400 in total - this should then be 20/20 in the game I guess.

Besides, in the OOB of Saudi Arabia I found a version - Unit 123 - with the only armament being a 20mm cannon and only 12x HE ammo - that might be a mistake.

kikka · #4 February 23rd, 2007, 07:06 AM

Another hint I found is
1. trying to find the burst ROF of a given weapon
2. calculating the # of projectiles fired during this second of fire
3. divide the real life ammo load by the result of 2 above.
4. Tadaaa
Does not give crazy results in terms of ammo load and respects the fact that a higher ROF gives higher lethality but less firing opportunities.
Just my 2 cts.
Cheers.

Shan · #5 February 23rd, 2007, 04:28 PM

Another case of serious under-dotation - the South African Ratel 20 - Unit 27 - has a 10+10 round loadout in the game, while in reality it carries 1,200 20mm rounds (...and 6,000 7.62mm MG rounds...)- see http://www.geocities.com/sa_bushwar2/ratel or 'Tanks of the World'.

If playing with such vehicles versus an opponent who has (correctly loaded) BMPs, for example, you'll run out of ammo pretty soon, and reloading takes time, provided you have bought ammo carriers...

Shan · #6 March 2nd, 2007, 01:16 PM

Another one - the German Luchs reconnaissance vehicle (Units 59, 68, 69) all carry 10+5 shots of 20mm ammo - this vehicle carries between 800 and 1000 shots, according to various online sources... so in my opinion another quite serious case...

I'm wondering about what other people think about this issue - please, post your comments! (btw - to avoid misunderstandings with the Admins: I know that if you don't reply this doesn't mean you're not reading this - but I'd like to hear what you think about this as well, and maybe you can tell us how the ammo points were originally calculated - the way like kikka says sounds reasonable, so it must be somehow like that)

DRG · #7 March 2nd, 2007, 04:49 PM

Quote:

Shan said:(btw - to avoid misunderstandings with the Admins: I know that if you don't reply this doesn't mean you're not reading this - but I'd like to hear what you think about this as well, and maybe you can tell us how the ammo points were originally calculated - the way like kikka says sounds reasonable, so it must be somehow like that)

Did Andy not already answer you on that in the second post on this thread.....???

10 shots per "burst" sounds about right but IDK for certain as there is no mention of that in the notes I still have related to OOB design, ( which does NOT mean there wasn't a formula used...just that I don't have a record of it ) I was not directly involved in that. Setting up the autocannon loadouts was something done YEARS ago then forgotten about because nobody complined about this or asked questions about it ( that I'm aware of )until you started this thread. Some vehicles loads would have been guesses made as it is even now not always possible to find sources with CONSISTENT ammo load stats ( " this vehicle carries between 800 and 1000 shots" is a good example of this ..what is it really 800...... or 1000? and what mix of ammo ?...... If I guess now-- guess what????... someone comes by in three or four or five years and asks where I got that info from........and then I get to start this all over again )

If someone wants to post some good HARD data on the actual ammo loads of autocannon armed vehicles I will be glad to look at it. Try to find something other than Wikipedia or pmulcahy for the source.

Don