Is it just me or is Hellheim troops way to strong?

Kuritza · #1 March 5th, 2007, 06:28 PM

Thejeff -
My sea kings have:
100% FR
100% CR
100% LR
Vine shield.
Chill aura.
(very nasty combo btw)
Fire brand sword.
Enough rejuvenation to make him not get tired with quickness on.
Attack of 16+ and defense of 20+, not sure about the numbers.
He kills any national troops or summons, but dies to vanheim recruitable commander )))

Btw, try this King setup, it works. Rainbow armor, vine shield, fire brand, dragon helmet, messengers boots, rest up to you. Breath of winter, quickness.

thejeff · #2 March 5th, 2007, 07:01 PM

Then what do the vanjarls do to them?
How are they equipped?

I'd be tempted to try 2 shields. Charcoal & Vine? You're not hitting them anyway.

Kuritza · #3 March 5th, 2007, 07:30 PM

He is hitting very, very hard. Two skill 16 attacks is good enough, especially after cold aura and shield soften the enemy down.
They only need three lvl4 items, one of them is armor piercing weapon. And a dual bless, of course. Regular units go down as grain too...
Something's wrong here in my opinion.

Gandalf Parker · #4 March 5th, 2007, 07:36 PM

Whose domain is the fighting in?
What scales are there?

Your previous posts make it sound as though the nations which could have held up against Vanheim were taken out by other players before they could do any good. That tends to be the way the game plays. It could just as easily have been early defeat of Ermors best enemy, or early defeat of Ulms. Thats the joy of rock-paper-scissors balance. If you take out all of the scissors, you might later regret it.

Kuritza · #5 March 5th, 2007, 08:26 PM

Domain doesnt matter, they kill troll either way in two rounds before morale kicks in. Most SCs wont hit them due to defense 30 and mirror images.

Vanheims neighbours were Abyssia (which he killed immediately), me as Tien Chi (busy fighting first Shinuyama, then Machaka), Caelum (who got ganked) and Ulm who didnt care about Vanheim.
No race should be THAT powerful against all nations but a few - because you cant count on these few races to be his neighbours, or not to be ganked by other players, or simply get rushed/raided to death by Vanheim himself.

Gandalf Parker · #6 March 5th, 2007, 08:45 PM

Then we have a problem with Ermor, and Ctis, and Arcos, and Jotunheim.

Valandil · #7 March 5th, 2007, 11:18 PM

I think that everyone misses an important point. Are eg. helhirdings unbalanced when UNBLESSED? No? Then perhaps the problem is with a combination of F9W9 and High-def glamour troops?

I can't say I've ever noticed losing more quickly to Helheim than anyone else, but I'm so awful that it hardly matters.

Perhaps the following test- One battle with eyes of the void or a mod removing glamour. One battle with no bless. One battle with current stats/abilities. At least we could then determine where the (possible) problem comes from.

Kuritza · #8 March 6th, 2007, 06:05 AM

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Gandalf Parker said:
Then we have a problem with Ermor, and Ctis, and Arcos, and Jotunheim.

Death nations and massed elephants, eh? At least you can kill them with priests, battle magic, massed archers and so on. You can fight them. LA Ermor also has a big 'gank me' sign overhead, its a target number 1 for anyone.
They lack an unkillable multipurpose unit, which is my main concern. Btw, F9W9 blessing isnt the only way - I have seen W9E9 blessing, and it seems like a great idea. Makes vans even harder to kill. What makes vans even more annoying is stupid mages always casting thunder strikes etc at the chaff units. As long as vanheim brings some militia with him or hires PD, mages will happily thunderstrike them, ignoring the real treat. Then your mages get 100 fatique, vans charge and kill your melee units, gg. Seen that many times.

And yes, its a combination of a double 9 blessing and glamour troops with great stats.