Counter to "Fog Warriors"?

Micah · #1 March 8th, 2007, 03:11 AM

Rain is mundane and won't break fog warriors, but would be great if you can sacrifice a province and a mage or two to pop the enemy mages. Same with earthquake. Arco's mages can't do either of these though. Maybe 2-3 E2 mystics with some earth boots and a very small group of bodyguards to avoid death by flyer could manage to look innocuous enough to the AI to get off summon earth power/earthquake without them casting fog warriors on their turn. Scatter the 3 groups around the field so that arrows won't get all of them and hope that at least 1 or 2 of your guys makes it through to get the spell off.

I'd do this without your army there to kill his evocation squad off, since either of those spells will probably hurt your army and mages pretty badly as well. After that's done and you just have to deal with foggy mammoths and not lightning spam I'd throw a half-ton of sybils and mystics at him with a banner of the northern light and watch soul slay do its thing. All your S1 mages should script power of the spheres so they can cast it as well if you can spare the pearls, paralyze if not. Phoenix Power/Prison of fire for any F2/S1 mystics would be a good choice as well, and will save pearls, although the storm Caelum usually brings along will make your mages' fatigue shoot up pretty fast.

Flaming arrows is also a go-to spell against anything with trample or fog as well. Storms and arrow fend will probably shut down most of your projectiles after round 1, but it's still a pretty good use of a mage to cast it if you've got a lot of ranged units.

Hold your line with your own elephants to slow his guys up, especially if you go with prison. Give your casters as much time as possible to do their thing. Might throw a couple of curse of stones in as well to fatigue them and slow them down, plus it'll split their formation up since it won't hit all of them. Mass regen if you have it is a wonderful choice for your elephants, and your soul slayers don't care if he casts it back at you.

Hope that helps, it might be a bit too long-winded =)

Dedas · #2 March 8th, 2007, 06:23 AM

Ok, I have a problem here. In a PBEM I am being attacked by Man casting Fog Warriors in combination with Storm. This makes my mages unable to cast any long range evocation spells, as their range becomes limited. Also my Arbalests become useless (I am playing MA Ulm). He then charges me with knights and vine ogres (all "fogged" of course). What to do?

Folket · #3 March 8th, 2007, 07:08 AM

I'm pretty certain that an earthquake after fog warrior has been cast will cancel fog warriors on all that are damaged.

llamabeast · #4 March 8th, 2007, 07:11 AM

Dedas - Hand over all your gems and money!

llamabeast · #5 March 8th, 2007, 07:12 AM

Folket - I haven't tested it, but from my understanding of the rules it won't. To get rid of Fog Warriors, you need to do at least either 1 magic damage or 25 mundane damage. Since earthquake is mundane it won't do either of those.

Dedas · #6 March 8th, 2007, 07:39 AM

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llamabeast said:
Dedas - Hand over all your gems and money!

Never!

Micah · #7 March 8th, 2007, 09:23 AM

Dedas: roll over and die, MA Ulm is horrible =)

Seriously though, buff your army with some alteration (marble warriors/legions of steel on Ulmish troops gives a somewhat ridiculous protection value...marble warriors is the same level as fog warriors, if you don't have it just throw more meat in the way instead. Wooden warriors might fly too if you've got some indie nature mages to spam it for decent coverage...regardless of how you do it, make a meat shield) and spam magma eruption with smiths after summon earth power. Your troops should do a great job soaking damage from the ogres and knights once they're buffed, and magma eruption will cut through mistform just fine. Make sure you have more magma than he has lightning and you should win pretty easily (unless your Ulmish troops decide to rout. They like doing that)

Dedas · #8 March 8th, 2007, 11:53 AM

Hmmm... yes, Magma would be the obvious counter; but (and this is a big but) the "hum hum" uses Mistform AND Storm in conjunction. This effectively renders any range depending spell unusable.

So yes, more steel on top of the mountain of steel my warriors already possess may be a valid tactic, just too bad that they can't hit squat and of course decides to take a nap after a while in combat.

GameExtremist · #9 March 8th, 2007, 07:15 AM

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Folket said:
I'm pretty certain that an earthquake after fog warrior has been cast will cancel fog warriors on all that are damaged.

hmm, AFAIK fog warriors is only cancelled if the unit loses 25% of it's hit points in one go, I think they get a defensive save as well. Soo....all your mages that don't save have a good chance of being hit, they only have 9 hp, mammoths won't be too affected seeing the spell only deals 10 damage. Things like spire horn archers will be affected, not sure about the other flying troops as they have decent defence but ordinary HP's.

Thanks for some of the advice guys, not sure it will help in the current game...too late for that maybe, but it'll come in handy in the future