OT: Season 3 BSG

[Atrocities]

What does a vortex have to do with Star Trek? You lost me Zero. A better ending would be they arrive at earth only to find it overrun with cylons and they have just enough time to kiss their asses good bye before they are blown out of the stars once and for all.

Go Cylons!

[Atrocities]

OBTW - When the semi blond Cylon, the one with the death wish that kept killing herself to meet God, finally met one of the final cyclon versions, she apologized and said that She had no idea. Wanna place bets on who that mysterious cylon was?

My money is on Adama. Right man in the right place at the right time. Accused of being a cylon by a cylon, and was specifically targeted by the cylon's after he had Boomer blow up that basestar orbiting Cobolt. Adama had left his wife, something a cylon impostor would do, distance yourself from those who know you best. He was in the area of cylon space running covert missions when a pilot of his was captured. Do you think he would have just left that man behind? He also knew that the first human cylon he encountered was a cylon whereas no one else did. How did he know that? Devinne intuition? No, he is a cylon. There are other examples but I am too tired to list them. Besides I must find my cat and put him out side less I end up with a repeat of last night. I am still picking up the mess.

[Tim_Ward]

What does a vortex have to do with Star Trek?

Suspiciously convieniet space-time phonomena as a plot device are a Star Trek staple. Also, BSG tries to stay vaguely scientifically plausable, and that doesn't include time travel. Sorry

Wanna place bets on who that mysterious cylon was?

Someone we've never heard of before. If it's a known character, it's Baltar. Frankly, though, the device of having one of the cast members turn out to be a Cylon has already been used back in the miniseries, and it'd be strained for them to use it again. To hear some of the fan speculation back before the revalations about the Cylons this season, you'd think the Galactica must've been the most heavily inflitrated Battlestar in the fleet.

And anyway, Adama can't be a cylon has he is older than their entire race.

Accused of being a cylon by a cylon, and was specifically targeted by the cylon's after he had Boomer blow up that basestar orbiting Cobolt.

Because he was commader. The Cylon's don't know who the final five are, so they can't have been targeting him for that reason.

Cobolt

Kobol.

[Azselendor]

It's Romo Lumpkin, baltar's lawyer. Other cylons that said their back story have always indicated their parents died at a young age and such. Romo did the same thing.

As for an ending, how about no ending. a big showdown with the cylons with an open ending as the fleet jumps away, blindly.

[Atrocities]

And anyway, Adama can't be a cylon has he is older than their entire race.

I made the argument that he had been replaced. The crazy chick cylon specifically apologiesed to someone for all the harm they had caused, that she didn't know he was a cylon. The cylon who is in love with Kara stated that Adama was a cylon. One of his missions PUT him near cylon space. He was the one who came up with the lets Find Earth scenario. It was his battlestar, that survived. He chose not to continue to fight but to run. And it was the boomer cylon who tried to kill him after he ordered her to blow up a basestar full of Boomer's. And don't forget Baltars cylon detector and how he reacted to the testing of people.

[Tim_Ward]

Atrocities said:
I made the argument that he had been replaced.

Meh, we've never seen any evidence they've been doing that.

The crazy chick cylon specifically apologiesed to someone for all the harm they had caused, that she didn't know he was a cylon.

Why would she apologise to Adama, if he was a cylon working for them? And if he's not working for them, but working for the Final Five who have a seperate adgenda, why all the speculation about the decisions Adama's made that supposedly help the Cylons?

EDIT: also a nitpick; she didn't apologise for all the harm caused, she just apologised for something without saying what. Now, the most obvious answer, or the answer we're lead to, is "I'm sorry we murdered 20 billion people for some vague religious reasons" indicating that the one she saw the face of someone who was something to do with the colonials (one of the Lords of Kobol?), but it could have been for anything. I could have been "sorry I went through all this fuss and blundered in here".

The cylon who is in love with Kara stated that Adama was a cylon.

<daniel jackson>You don't think it's possible for a Cylon to lie, do you?</daniel jackson>

And don't forget Baltars cylon detector and how he reacted to the testing of people.

He commissioned Baltar's Cylon Detector project in the first place. And it was either he or Roslin that suggested that they both go first.

[AgentZero]

Atrocities said:
What does a vortex have to do with Star Trek? You lost me Zero.

Vortexes (thus far) in BSG = 0
Vortexes in Star Wars = 0
Vortexes in Firefly = 0
Vortexes in Stargate = 0 (or 1 if you want to be picky)
Vortexes in Star Trek = .... Lots and lots and lots and lots. Also lots of time travel.

[Atrocities]

Ok so we call it something else. I still don't see why your trying to compare it to star trek. Hell Star Trek has something like 400 episodes so ya, they pretty much covered the God damned spectrum of names for time distortions and such. And for the record, what BSG is doing isn't really all that new. And BSG's producer is an ex-star trek writer/producer.

[AgentZero]

Atrocities said:
Ok so we call it something else.

I have absolutely no problem whatsoever with which word you use to describe the phenomena.

I still don't see why your trying to compare it to star trek.

Because these sorts of phenomena are everywhere in Star Trek.

...they pretty much covered the God damned spectrum of names for time distortions and such.

That is what I have the problem with. The whole 'Gee whiz, things didn't work out for us this time, but golly, look there's a swirly thing out in space. Let's all go through it and try again.' And if they only did it once or twice, I wouldn't have really minded but they did it all the time, so much so that to me, such contrivances as little swirly spots that pop up out of nowhere and let you go back to the exact moment required to change an unfavourable outcome have become indelibly linked to Star Trek.

And for the record, what BSG is doing isn't really all that new.

Never said it was.

And BSG's producer is an ex-star trek writer/producer.

Good to see someone learned something from Trek.

[Randallw]

I found a bunch of spoilers on one of the rumour sites I follow about the end of season, you know if perhaps people want to know. It may be true or it might be likely rubbish but it includes who 4 of the other cylon models are.