11p very large (TURN 69)

[Folket]

The ladder is just a measurement on how well people do. It should not be taken to serious. I hope that the ladder will be used in all games so that it is a more accurate measurement.
It is not meant to make people play differently. Also I hope that people will use that Wiki to comment on their games and share their strats.

[Wikd Thots]

You hope. But you know that people will start pointing to it and saying "see? Gandolf sucks and Quantum rules!". I think people will want to separate their serious ladder games from their experimental fun games. It is not cool to have your don't give a [censored] game end up on the ladder after the fact.

[Folket]

Well, if you get that upset we will just remove the game.

[DrPraetorious]

It hadn't ocurred to me that anyone might object (since I don't care) - given that is the case, don't add it.

[Wikd Thots]

I do not mind the ladder. I just think it should be declared at the beginning along with the game settings. I would tend to balance if its going on the ladder against things like how much water, if its using mods I know, crazy boosted settings I haven't played with, if its victory points, how common are random events, and anything else that might affect my rating.

Just as an extreme example I don't think I will ever do "random assigned nations" if "will be added to ladder" are together in the same game. And I would be pissed if half way through it someone that was winning decided to have the results posted to the ladder showing how bad they kicked my ***.

[Baalz]

You should take life less seriously, why care if <radomInternetLoser> is crowing that he kicked your *** when you got a bum draw? Dominions always has a fair amount of luck as to who wins (assuming skill levels are in the same ballpark), seems silly to refuse to play "random nations" in a game where a random event can essentially eliminate you on turn two, or you get sandwiched between three aggressive players, or you've got very low resources around your capitol while dependent on capitol only troops, or a bug eats your pretender, or...

I wouldn't take the ladder too seriously, but I guess to each his own.

[Wikd Thots]

If people did not treat it seriously on the forums then I wouldn't either. I see too many "you talk [censored] because you never won games against the veterans" posts. So if wins/losses are going to mean something, then posting them on the ladder will also.

You might change your mind when you have 6 junk games on the ladder then start getting good and wish the junk games could be taken off.

I don't care if I win or lose this game. But I went into it thinking that. I don't want it recorded on the ladder now is all. When I join a ladder game then I will take more time making my pretender and not choose a nation just because it was the last available.