IDF vs. Hezbollah guerilla (08/2006)

PlasmaKrab · #1 March 24th, 2007, 05:26 AM

OK, if you're sure of your sources I'll buy it, though I had heard back then that at least a couple of the infamously "invincible Israeli tanks disabled" were upgrade Tirans, but who knows. And right, if Centurions were mentioned, it was certainly as APCs.
I had reflected that ground forces had rushed into the war slightly unprepared and didn't expect such a resistance from the Hizbollah (correct me if I'm wrong), so I expected some older tanks (at least Magach-6s or the like, maybe worse) to trail over here and there.
Now if I've understood that at least, the scenario here takes place at the end of the war, so having older tanks all over the place might be BS after all, since everyone would have had time to notice the resistance (you wouldn't call it unexpected one month on, after all).

I don't think we will ever be sure for the Kornets, but even then I'm not against seeing a couple of them in a scenario, for want of better info. A couple, of course, not a whole company.

Marcello · #2 March 24th, 2007, 09:07 AM

"were upgrade Tirans" In the sense that they were Achzarit built from Tiran chassis, then yes.
I remeber several pictures posted on tanknet of a badly mauled Achzarit. But as actual tanks they are long gone, that is what I read everywhere, from websites to posters.
Considered the obsolescence and the potential for fratricide it makes a lot of sense. Judging from the pictures posted the bulk of the tanks committed were Merkava III and some uparmored Merkava II. A few Merkava IV were used as well.
I have a picture of a Merkava (not sure if II or III) which suffered a catastrophic ammo explosion (turret popped T-72 style and rear hull gone). Needless to say my appreciation for the Abrams ammo storage has increased since then.

PlasmaKrab · #3 March 25th, 2007, 08:21 AM

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Marcello said:Needless to say my appreciation for the Abrams ammo storage has increased since then.

Hmm, remember that at least one Abrams has been seen with a turret popped away, similarly with a heavily-loaded underground IED, so I'm not sure the bustle storage is a savior in this case...