Suggestion: LE Ryleh - Dreamlands

[Sombre]

You can fix a lot of this via modding. Personally I think freespawns with very low upkeep would be somewhat overpowering, but each to their own.

[TirAsleen]

They still eat a lot hardly overpowered. You played with them? Ryleh freespawns are incredible weak, its not like with Ashen Empire where you get better freespawns with good morale. And a lot of aquatic freespawns won't help much, just drain upkeep. + no easy way to kill them off except pillaging a province and let them starve to death. The freespawn for Ryleh are just meat shields and are here to protect your Ilithid artillery. They do not work on their own. I play this game with a friend with indie strenght9 on 100+ provinces maps.

[Meglobob]

TirAsleen said:
They still eat a lot not overpowered. And a lot of aquatic freespawns won't help much, just drain upkeep. + no easy way to kill them off except pillaging a province and let them starve to death.

I have never played Ryleh but could you not take misfortune 3 and then use up the freespawns on the rebellions you get or is misfortune a very bad idea with Ryleh?

[TirAsleen]

Missfortune seems always a bad idea, its really the least thing i pick. You don't get heroes and no gem events, your temples and laboratories are going to be razed by raze events. But i never tried missfortune3 with Ryleh, iam scarred by missfortune3. The maps i play are not big and my dominion is usually high set. I do that with BF ulm theme where i can have fortunetellers, but rather prefere good events that give additional gold and gems.

[Shovah32]

Taking misfortune is a bad idea when your going to end up with very small population...

[Folket]

I do not think LA R'lyeh are as terrible as you say. I have played them in one MP so far and I thought people would die off to fast for national armies to matter much, which was a terrible mistake.

R'lyeh dominion do kill off people but at a far slower rate then Ashen Empire. My test show that dominion kills about 0.1% per step. Each step on growth/death is 0.2%. So for the price of slowly killing your pop you get free chaff with very low upkeep. My test showed that upkeep is about 1 gold for each 20 free spawns. That is very low upkeep. Upkeep for most troops are 2 gold for 3 units, and 1 gold for 2 militia.

Also your illithids are resistant to insanity. They do get insane but not as much as other commanders. My tests also show that your god seem to be immune to insanity.

In general LA R'lyeh should be played like MA R'lyeh, just that later on you should stop building lobo guards when you have enough free spawns.

A build that could work for R'lyeh is
Wyrm E3
Dominion 10
order 3
sloth 3
cold 3
growth 3
misfortune 1
magic 1

growth 1/fortune 1 could also work. This build is to assure fast expansion. If there is plenty of water, then a dormant god with order 3, fortune 3 and lower dominion should work fine.

[Edi]

The Dreamlands freespawns have a gold cost of 1, some of them may have gold cost of 2. That means that in general every 15 freespawn costs 1 upkeep. It cannot get cheaper than that and still have upkeep.

Supply multipliers can be adjusted on a per game basis from the game options unless I remember wrong, and in any case it can be adjusted via mod so that you do not run out of supplies.

I do not see a need to alter LE R'lyeh in the manner suggested, because the request seems to stem from a particular type of game and the parameters probably do not apply universally.

[TirAsleen]

Just compare it to MA Ryleh, the insanity hits most of the time your own units. Insanity hits your own commanders, while ilithids are a bit resistent they get hit too. Its just a big hassle to play. Each round giving insane commanders of previous turns the same old orders back.

Now with MA Ryleh we do not have that. Also no need to take growth scales. Better control over upkeep. Just 1 gold per 15 unit? Its still too much. Cause you will have a lot of units with dom10. Play with lower dominion and there won't be that many. You will have a problem to build expensive castles too.

Oh, i am sure you can win with them, but better compare it to MA Ryleh and how much hassle it is to control them in LE compared to MA.

This is not a thread how to play LE Ryleh, btw. I am against upkeep for freespawns coming in such huge numbers in a high dominion, resulting in no control over your finances. Again cannot imagine how thematically those highly insane hybrids would use gold anyways, cause then soulless and longdead should be paid too.