OT: Season 3 BSG

[Atrocities]

Something just occurred to me, there are now TWO cylon human babies. Think about it. Boomers daughter, and the Chiefs son. Why haven't the cylons tried to get his son?

[Atrocities]

R: When did you decide to make these four characters Cylons and how much did you have to go back and check to make sure that fit with things we already knew about these four characters?

RM: It was something I came up with this season as I worked toward the finale. The conceptual framework in which these guys are Cylons, it all sort of works once we laid down their individual back stories.

I don't buy for a minute the sudden and in my honest opinion, sloppy story change that Tigh and the Chief, as well as two others, are now cylons. That is just a fracking cop out and a cheap writing trick. I have to be honest, and many fans agree, that this was nothing more than a cheap plot twist though of without any consideration for thought. This kind of thing seems to be a hallmark of the series. Hey lets go down this road.. whoops, not working, lets do this now.... whoops that didn't work... hey I know, lets make Tigh and the Chief both cylons. Um what about the chiefs son, and Tigh's record? Who cares, the people who watch this show are too stupid to figure things out and think for themselves. Besides its a cool plot twist... write it up and people will accept it with some clever back stories. Ok RDM, we will see.

However as some fans pointed out on other forums, they might not really be cylons. They were all at one time capable of being captured by the cylons therefore they could have simply been brain washed and programed to respond to certain sound stimuli. But I don't believe it. I think RDM took his show into yet another new direction.

Certainly the mind frack has begun. Kara has returned and she knows the way to Earth. All along the watchtower we stand and wait to see if the thief shows the joker the way on how to get out of this place.

[geoschmo]

I don't think Tigh's record as a Colonial warrior is inconsistant with him being a Cylon. It's been clearly established form the begining that there are human form cylons that don't know they are cylons. Six stated it pretty much in exactly those words during the original miniseries, and the point was proven with Boomer.

As to why the Cylons haven't been as hot to get the Chief's baby as they were Hera, it's also been pretty clearly established that the Cylons aren't some hive-mind like the Borg. They have a sense of each other, but it's not perfect. They are even capable of lying to each other. They may simply not know he has a child.

Plus, there might be some difference in having a half Cylon child with a human mother and one with a human father. Chief's baby may be nothing special as far as the Cylon's are concerned even if they knew about it.

I thought the finale was pretty good. I'm only pissed it's going to be next year before we find out what happens.

Geoschmo

[Randallw]

I know. It's all wargames. Everyone is a cylon. There are no such things as coloials, or if there are that's what the wargames are for, to deteremine likely tactics. It's like red team vs blue team only red team has had artifical memories placed in them to help them "play" their side better.

Perhaps the Human programmers have been following and watching in their cloaked lab ships

Edit: I wondered for a second about my hypothesis since a few of them have been back to Caprica but we know in the Base ships the Cylons see their own reality, that's why the inside is so bland. Those who went back to Caprica were just seeing an artificial reality.

[Will]

Well, I need to go to work... but just wanted to post and say two things.

First... DAMN!

Second... well, did they ever refer to the thirteenth tribe of Kobol as a human tribe explicitly? It is apparent that the society that lived on Kobol was fairly advanced, and there was an exodus where the twelve tribes that formed the twelve colonies forgot most of their accomplishments from Kobol. What if one of those accomplishments was the creation of a thirteenth tribe (AKA, Cylons)? So, the final five could be considered the surviving models created on Kobol, and the toasters created in the twelve colonies were simply a re-discovery of what once was on Kobol, and these in turn spawned the other seven meat Cylons. The Cylons among the thirteenth tribe had long ago discovered the secret of reproduction that the seven colonial cylons are after, and had integrated themselves into Earth society... perhaps bringing along the Greek-ish culture of Kobol/Twelve Colonies?

Or maybe it's something completely different.

[MasterChiToes]

Backwards... the humans are on earth. The 12 colonies were founded by the Kobol Cylons, who forgot they are Cylons and in turn are repeating the history of recreating Cylons and being destroyed by them.

"This has happened before" has been repeated in the series.

I think the "four" are not Cylons (new Cylons anyway)... I think the music and the Starbuck thing are part of a new player on the scene... possibly ancients from Kobol, or Kobol Cylons, or the real "final five", or dare I hope Iblis.

[Tnargversion2]

I don't know about anyone else but after last night's finale all I could think about was Lynche's "Twin Peaks" or something in the lines bizzare but beautifully interesting and WHAT!

I ran through dozens of scenerios of how in the world could a Bob Dylan tune possibly be in deep space alone (not all jarbled up with millions of other transmissions that have leaked into space) and a driving theme for four of the characters. So does this mean that when the Colonials finally arrive on Earth it will more in likely be post Bob Dylan era or will it pre Bob Dylan, and that Bob Dylan is actually a Cylon or an offworlder who writes all of his songs from lucid memories of being in space but forgetting that he actually was in space.

I was first thinking that with this series when the 13th tribe eventually landed on Earth it was pre-civilization times and that in order to erase their problem of the evils of technology the Colonials destroyed everything and started from scratch and eventually started the greek culture after a few hundred years.

How long ago again did the 13th Colony leave Cobol in the timeline?

Now I am convinced that when they (the fleeing Colonials) do find Earth it will definatly be modern times due to this Bob Dylan thing. This goes to my previous question of how long ago did the 13th Colony supposedly settle Earth.

The fact that there are now Cylons discovering that they are now Cylons I can live with, but this Bob Dylan thing is going to drive me nuts until I figure out how this plays into the series.

[AngleWyrm]

Atrocities said:
I don't buy for a minute the sudden and in my honest opinion, sloppy story change that Tigh and the Chief, as well as two others, are now cylons.

Looks like RM set himself up as the storyteller, and then ran out of gas. He's turned on his audience, messing with their minds.

[AgentZero]

Well, I finally got around to watching the finale, and it was a fair sight better than I expected. I'm not too bothered by the whole gasp They're Cylons! thing, because, well I'm just not. A lot of the other Cylons seemed to have no inkling that they were Cylons right up until they did something crazy, or were confronted with incontrovertable proof, so why should these lot be any different? Because a lot of time has gone by? Cylons like Boomer would have been 'under cover' for the better part of a decade, going through pilot training, serving aboard the Galactica, etc, so what's another 2-3 years on top of that?
Sure, it sniffs a little of jumping the shark, but I'm willing to go along with it.

More importantly, is it me or are shows getting shorter these days? I don't mean the actual episodes, but rather the seasons. When I was in school, most shows started around the same time as school (ie: mid-September) and ran til nearly the end of the school year (late May/early June). But now all the shows seem to be wrapping up before April. That's only a five month season! We'll spend longer waiting for a new season than we did watching the old one. Just doesn't seem right to me.

[Will]

I dunno. I seem to remember there being around 24 episodes in a standard season, usually with 1-3 weeks in the middle taken off (such as during Christmas, Thanksgiving, etc.). Which is still about half the year. But I'm seeing 12 and 20 as far more common numbers now.