Suggestion: LE Ryleh - Dreamlands

TirAsleen · #1 March 27th, 2007, 08:21 AM

Starspawns are only resistent not immune to insanity.

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Scale Design:

Cause the freespawns cost "insane" amounts of upkeep over time as you will have some hundreds with more provinces and high dominion quite fast -getting over 1000 gold for upkeep in no time is easy- you cannot afford negativ scales.

You NEED order3, growth3(or they starve for sure), and no cold or heat scales like its possible in ma Rlyeh. You want your freespawns on land so they can attack most nations, with cold3 they would starve and you cannot effort the gold income hit as easily as with MA Ryleh. If those freespawns would not cost gold upkeep it would be possible to build more castles for supplies, though.

Removing upkeep for freespawns is required and a good thing, people.
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Whats bad on early age Ryleh? Afaik bankruptcy and the problem of starving is non-existend there.

MaxWilson · #2 March 28th, 2007, 02:23 AM

Quote: "You NEED order3, growth3(or they starve for sure), and no cold or heat scales like its possible in ma Rlyeh. You want your freespawns on land so they can attack most nations, with cold3 they would starve and you cannot effort the gold income hit as easily as with MA Ryleh. If those freespawns would not cost gold upkeep it would be possible to build more castles for supplies, though."

Out of curiosity, why not just let them starve? If you're worried about their upkeep, that is. If you're actually using them as chaff to throw at your opponents, they'll be dying fast enough that upkeep won't be as much of an issue.

Caveat: I've never yet played anything but EA.

-Max

Sombre · #3 March 28th, 2007, 02:28 AM

Because if they're getting spawned in huge numbers everywhere they'll also starve the mages and more important units in the province.

So you have to sweep them out every turn to avoid all your mages dying of disease. And that's a bit of a chore.

MaxWilson · #4 March 28th, 2007, 03:04 AM

Hmmm. When supplies are limited, aren't they allocated to more expensive units first? I haven't ever noticed my commanders starving, for example. In a quick test game with LA R'lyeh, I had 135 supply worth of units in a 75 supply swamp, and the diseased units were disproportionately cheap freespawn. Oddly enough, 3 or 4 of my 9 illithids were diseased and starving, too, after a couple of turns, but that might be because they're size 4. The larger, regenerating freespawn were still okay.

I agree that this is another reason you'd want a "disband units" command.

-Max

Micah · #5 March 28th, 2007, 07:06 AM

Max - Commanders don't suffer from starvation (or at least they get to eat first, I've never had enough commanders to exceed supply)

Starvation effects for units seem randomly distributed, although I'm not completely sure on this. I'm pretty certain that expensive units don't have complete priority though. I believe the reason your regenerating freespawn were all starvation free is because I'm pretty sure they don't eat (the lesser and greater othernesses, right? I think those are what you mean by the big regenerating ones)

Sombre · #6 March 28th, 2007, 08:19 AM

Yeah I tested and commanders don't starve, you're right. You still have problems with the lithids starving though.

I really think the underlying problem here is not the freespawn, but the lack of a dismiss button.

Eressil3 · #7 March 28th, 2007, 10:06 AM

I played a game as LA R'lyeh. I don't think to make an economy running is the way to go. It may be better to spread chaos and insanity all across the world !!!

- used dom10 turmoil3/luck3/sloth3/death2/magic3 (why not Death3 ? because I'm a n... beginner)
- my tactic ? pillaging and taxing to destroy most of the whole world income (small map).
- upkeep problem started at turn 40 (which is fine IMHO). I just sent as most horde of chaff as I could on my opponents. Sometimes it opens a breach for invasion and pillaging !
- luck3/turmoil3 => lots of random gems = good help for summons.
- void specters are really efficient to spread insanity (stealth 25). And it's really fun when you check the insanity of your opponent's pretender during battle.
- multiple prophet are great !!! And that army of priest !!!
- used indie nature mages to make "endless bag of wine" for my illithids based armies.
- astral magic is great.
- underwater starting position *may* be a great advantage.

I didn't try on bigger maps, but I found LA R'lyeh rather powerful on this small one. And it was fun to play the great evil which destroy everything on his path. I found these style of play really close to the lovecraft's novels, even if in the novels such an apocalypse is only suggested.