Suggestion: LE Ryleh - Dreamlands

Graeme Dice · #1 March 28th, 2007, 01:34 PM

Why are the freespawns supposed to have disadvantages other than their near uselessness in combat? It's not as though removing the upkeep on such troops would make the nation overpowered, because you can't use them with any effect against elite troops anyways. I'm currently experiencing zero losses in matches where 60 F9/W9 LA Mictlan Rain warriors fight against 100+ LA R'Lyeh freespawn. It's also not as though people would dismiss the freespawn unless they absolutely had to, as you will need 10 to 1 odds or better to ensure wins when using them.

RonD · #2 March 28th, 2007, 01:48 PM

I did not say that the freespawns are supposed to have disadvantages. I said that the freespawns themselves are a disadvantage of the LA R'lyeh nation.

TirAsleen · #3 March 28th, 2007, 02:36 PM

LE Ermor is a complete different thing. LE Ermor is easy to control in comparission. No upkeep, no supplies needed for your freespawns. You can take as many as you want to make an army or just leave them where they are, its an option for you not a must.

RonD · #4 March 28th, 2007, 02:56 PM

I did not mean to imply that they are the same. I only used Ermor as an example of another nation I do not choose to play. I'm happy to live with the fact that some of the nations do not fit into my prefered playstyle, and I don't see the need to demand that they be changed so they do.

Graeme Dice · #5 March 28th, 2007, 05:32 PM

Why would you think that the freespawn of LA R'Lyeh are supposed to be a disadvantage when they are effectively the only troops you can afford to field?

mivayan · #6 March 28th, 2007, 08:20 PM

Quote:

Graeme Dice said:
It's not as though removing the upkeep on such troops would make the nation overpowered, because you can't use them with any effect against elite troops anyways.

Well. Meatwalls are always nice if you happen to have battle mages or mindblasters.

If they had no upkeep and didn't eat it'd be like LA ermor without the banishment vulnerability... perhaps their eating is enough to make the difference?

Loren · #7 March 28th, 2007, 10:03 PM

I do agree that dismiss would be a big help but still it would require keeping doing it.

A better solution I think:

1) No aquatic freespawn. They should all be amphibious so you can do something with them once you own the water.

2) The idea of new unit routing that's already been discussed in other threads.

Folket · #8 March 29th, 2007, 05:52 AM

Solution? To what?

LA R'lyeh is not broken. I find them to be a pretty balanced nation I do not see reason to improve on them.

I also agree with Gandalf Parker that R'lyeh is probably more fun if roll playing. You should be happy for each enlightened dreamer that joins in your song.

Loren · #9 March 29th, 2007, 02:23 PM

LA R'lyeh is broken from a micromanagement standpoint.

TirAsleen · #10 March 29th, 2007, 03:13 PM

Indeed, you wouldn't want to play it on big maps or think about playing MA Ryleh a lot.