Neo Standard for SE V?

[Fyron]

Ok, to get this rolling again, what do we think of this as the neo-standard? This would add 6 unique hulls to the stock set.

Keep in mind that the stock game already has a lot of "neostandard" type models called for, but not in general use. They add about 15 extra possible models shipset authors can already add to their sets and see used in the stock game.

Warships

+ Corvette/Scout (sub-frigate sized ship, name up in the air)
+ Juggernaut (super-dreadnought, not the same as baseship)
+ Worldship (generally spheroid, for the death stars et all)

Baseship is already called for by stock, but not used. A note about this would be good.

Carriers

Light and Heavy already called for by stock, so I don't think we really need any more.

Civilian Ships

+ Resource Ship (not positive on this one's general utility, but many seem to like it)

Small/Large freighters already called for by stock.

Bases

+ Battle Station (base to go between space station and starbase, as in all previous SE versions)

Units

+ Infantry (non-mechanized troop unit)

Small/Medium/Large unit versions of all units are already called for as primary models/layouts, though generally not used in stock shipsets, so we don't need to include those as part of the neostandard. A note about them would suffice.

[Baron Munchausen]

Space stations are underpowered in the SE series. The lack of need for movement should allow a much size greater advantage.

How about calling the basic station an 'Outpost'? After all, they start at 600 kt, which is merely the size of a cruiser. Add a few levels so it can reach 1500 kt. Then you can have a true 'space station' start at 2000 kt or so. And then bump starbases up to something more. At least 3500 kt. They should max-out at 5000-6000 kt or so.

For ship sizes, we don't need anything smaller. We need a class between dreadnought and baseship, though. Maybe borrow 'Titan' class from Moo? Or even Behemoth and Leviathan from Moo3. Baseship should still be the largest, and still use the starbase model. And it should be limited to a movement rate of ONE in all circumstances. It's just too huge to move faster without miraculous 'Q' powers.

[Suicide Junkie]

IMO, we don't need more ship sizes. We need to make the ones we have, useful.

Same with weapons. What good is a space station full of random heroes when you can put a superman in every police car?

[Fyron]

The juggernaut was meant to go between the dreadnought and the baseship; then you have the worldship for the crazily massive stuff.

We can't rename the space station hull, and making a sub-600 kt base would be silly. You can call your hulls whatever you want in your own mod; we just need common names for models.

Much of your post is about a specific mod, not a generic set of hull models. Same with SJ's post.

[Atrocities]

Nice list Fyron... I say go.

[narf poit chez BOOM]

Escort and Monitor.

[AstralWanderer]

Given that SE5 allows variable tonnages for a class based on tech and that models can be scaled to correspond with this, it would seem better to have models and classes linked to roles rather than pure size.

Variations on tonnage would then be dealt with by added a prefix to the class (e.g. Small, Medium, Large, Super, Giant, Titan, Star, Galaxy). An exception could be made for warships where there is a need for a very wide range of sizes and there is a standard list of terms (from both naval terminology and previous SE games).

Military
-Warship (ship-to-ship combat)
--Frigate
--Destroyer
--Cruiser
--Battlecruiser
--Dreadnaught
--Behemoth
--Deathstar
-Defence (fleet defence via PD, shields or armour, repair/resupply)
--Escort
--Defender
--Baseship
-Carrier
-Fighter
--Interceptor (targets other fighters)
--Bomber (targets capital ships)
-Drone (automated targeting)
-Non-ship units
--Starbase
---Construction
---Combat
--Weapons Platform
--Troop
---Infantry (planet defense)
---Armour (planet offense)
Non-Military
-Explorer (high speed, extra supplies)
-Transport
-Coloniser
-(Resource) Extractor
-Terra/Astraformer (for Stellar Manipulation)
Special
-Space Monsters
-Racial Specific
-Technology Specific

Having much larger ship classes available would fit the ethos of a game allowing Ringworlds and Dyson Spheres and also allow for the more "significant" items of Stellar Manipulation to be made much larger, requiring bigger ships (a planet buster should need to be Death Star sized at least...).

The downside is that forcing roles on specific classes could limit player flexibility in fleet design - but for multiplayer games it gives a reasonable idea of opponents' fleet makeup (e.g. offensive/defensive).

[Phoenix-D]

Again, the neo-standard is supposed to apply to many mods. Its a request for commonly used MODELS, not for mod ideas.

[Suicide Junkie]

The point that the neostandard would do well to expand on the roles of a ship rather than just a lot of sizes is a good one still.

[se5a]

lets bully aaron into giving us a size multiplyer in the vehicle sizes.txt, that way we can use say, the frigate model, give it a mutiplyer of .75 and call it an escort.

also with the carriers, since there's only one model, give the larger ones a multiplyer of 1.25 and 1.5
that way you can easly see that it's bigger in combat, without having to have a whole new model.

ditto with the troops sats, mines, drones fighters and anything else that shares models.