Indep. Mages

Edi · #1 April 4th, 2007, 05:43 PM

Tribals & other poptype independent mages, magic and survival skills

Druid - N1H1, Forest
Lizard - S1N1, Swamp
Bear Tribe Shaman - N1H1, 10% E, Forest, Mountain, Waste
Wolf Tribe Shaman - N1, 10% D, Forest, Mountain, Waste
Deer Tribe Shaman - N1, 10% A, Forest, Mountain, Waste
Lion Tribe Witch Doctor - N1, 10% FEDN, Forest
Jaguar Tribe Priest - N1H1, 10% FWSB, Forest
Toad Tribe Shaman - W1, 10% N1, Swamp, Amphibian
Jade Priestess - N1H1, 20% W, Forest
Onyx Priestess - H2, 50% D, 10% E, Mountain
Garnet Priestess - H1, 50% B, 10% F, Waste
Crystal Priestess - H1, 50% S, 10% A
Jade Sorceress - W1N1, 25% WEDN, Forest
Onyx Sorceress - E1D1, 10% D, Mountain
Garnet Sorceress - F1B1, 10% B, Waste
Crystal Sorceress - A1S1, 10% S
Horticulturist - N1, 20% WE
Hoburg Priest - H1, 10% N

Judge for yourselves.

Shovah32 · #2 April 4th, 2007, 05:47 PM

Out of all those the only ones i MIGHT consider would be amazon sorceresses

thejeff · #3 April 4th, 2007, 05:57 PM

Onyx, Garnet and Crystal Priestesses don't require labs, just temples, but have a good chance of having magic.

I've lucked out and gotten 2N Lion Tribe Witch Doctors, which is worth it if you don't have nature on your nationals.

For blood hunting, Garnet priestess or Sorceress?

Gandalf Parker · #4 April 4th, 2007, 08:01 PM

Is this for considering them as researchers?
You mention terrain but not stealth.
And leadership.
And the priests who can be gotten for the price of a temple which I want to build alot of anyway so a priest with a chance of magic (especially if stealthy) makes it a real consideration for me. More than a province that will give me just cheap priests.

Edi · #5 April 5th, 2007, 02:44 AM

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Nix said:
Whoa - never heard of the Toad Tribe.

Independent Atlanteans reminiscent of the Rain Warriors of LA Mictlan. I don't know if that poptype is active (as in, can be randomly found in a game), but it exists.

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Gandalf Parker said:
Is this for considering them as researchers?
You mention terrain but not stealth.
And leadership.
And the priests who can be gotten for the price of a temple which I want to build alot of anyway so a priest with a chance of magic (especially if stealthy) makes it a real consideration for me. More than a province that will give me just cheap priests.

For considering them as researchers and other things they can potentially do. But I wasn't about to start listing all of their stats here, that's what the DB is for if someone wants to do an indepth analysis. As far as the priestesses go, depends on price if they are worth it and what magic they have vs nationals. Of that lot, only the hoburg priest and druid are stealthy and have both holy and potential other magics, iirc.

For research purposes, all of the shamans are sacred (the wictor is not), so they only cost half upkeep, if that is a consideration.

Nix · #6 April 4th, 2007, 08:12 PM

Whoa - never heard of the Toad Tribe.

vfb · #7 April 4th, 2007, 09:39 PM

If you can craft Skull Mentors, even the lowly Lion Tribe Witch Doctor turns into a good researcher. And they only need a Lab to be built.

MaxWilson · #8 April 5th, 2007, 03:27 AM

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vfb said:
If you can craft Skull Mentors, even the lowly Lion Tribe Witch Doctor turns into a good researcher. And they only need a Lab to be built.

Assuming you're so rich in death gems that finding someone to hold your Skull Mentors is your research bottle neck. : )

Don't get me wrong, I love Skull Mentors, but determining cost-efficiency is not simple when it involves gems as well as gold.

-Max

Wyehl · #9 April 5th, 2007, 10:49 AM

I am surprised that noone has done the math on the start up cost for national mages vs. the start up cost for indie mages.

Sure, if you are short on gold, you are going to build a mage in your capital first, usually. For many nations, their best mages will be cap only.

After that, however, you have to choose between building a fortress, lab and maybe temple to produce your national mages or just a lab for most indie mages. Obviously, it's a bit more complicated than that since, on one hand, fortresses have other good uses but on the other hand, they also take time to build and have a large enough start up cost that you often can't always afford them as early as you would like.

Meglobob · #10 April 5th, 2007, 04:02 PM

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MaxWilson said:

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vfb said:
If you can craft Skull Mentors, even the lowly Lion Tribe Witch Doctor turns into a good researcher. And they only need a Lab to be built.

Assuming you're so rich in death gems that finding someone to hold your Skull Mentors is your research bottle neck. : )

Don't get me wrong, I love Skull Mentors, but determining cost-efficiency is not simple when it involves gems as well as gold.

-Max

This is a real killer if your forced to use lightless lanterns, as after a couple of months your mages become horror marked. If you transfer the lantern on another mage to avoid losing it when the horror strikes, you can quickly run out of expendable mages.

I personally think lightless lantern should be reduced to construction 4 and the skull mentors put upto construction 6. This would be more balanced.