newbie question: how to siege castle

MaxWilson · #1 April 9th, 2007, 07:41 PM

BandarLover beat me to it, so I'll add that the actual formula isn't precisely 1 per unit, it's Strength squared / 100, plus 1 if the unit flies. For defending mindless units repair only 10% of that amount, but as attackers they get the full value.

-Max

BandarLover · #2 April 9th, 2007, 07:43 PM

See, I knew someone with actual knowledge would weigh in.

Taqwus · #3 April 9th, 2007, 07:57 PM

Fliers also get bonuses, and there are units and commanders with siege bonuses (marked by an icon that looks like a catapult, IIRC). Sappers and engineers are examples of the latter. Some items also give siege bonuses to the commander carrying them, like Gate Cleavers and Wall Shakers.

gar · #4 April 10th, 2007, 09:33 AM

I have been seigeing for a year now and the wall is still up. Its a force of 150 which I have to reinforce every season due to starvation. Is there any other way to take down the wall, this is really stupid!

vfb · #5 April 10th, 2007, 10:22 AM

What nation are you, and what nation are you sieging? What units are you sieging with? And you're sure everyone you have on the castle is sieging, right?

To prevent your armies from starving, you could bring in some units (eg nature mages) or items that give supply, or some units (eg undead) that don't use supply. Also you get supply from nearby forts, so pop up a fort of your own close by.

Shovah32 · #6 April 10th, 2007, 10:37 AM

The more(particularly high strength and seige bonus) units you put in the faster the wall will be destroyed. Your problem could be something like your 150 men on the outside and their 149 men on the inside, causing the destruction of the castle to be a very slow process.

Sombre · #7 April 10th, 2007, 11:15 AM

Or they could have halberdiers, fliers etc in the castle.

Rather than just throwing men at it, I'd go for some specialised strategy such as a magical item etc. Or you could withdraw and let the enemy come out, then resiege a few turns later.

MaxWilson · #8 April 10th, 2007, 03:05 PM

What fort are you besieging? If it's a Crystal Citadel or something (1200 defense) you can either leave a large but cheap-quality sieging force outside of it while your real units keep conquering other provinces, or forge items like the Gate Cleaver (requires Earth-3) and the aforementioned Wineskin (Nature-1) and Cauldron of Plenty (Nature-3) to provide siege bonuses and/or allow more besiegers.

Call of the Winds provides a cheap addition to your sieging forces. Some people like it better than Wall Shakers; I think it's easy for all the hawks to die, but on the other hand zero-upkeep flying commanders can be really nice as gem couriers and troop shuttlers.

-Max

Gandalf Parker · #9 April 10th, 2007, 04:00 PM

Also if you keep a holding force there while taking out the neighboring provinces, consider some uses you can make of the place.

Tax 200% and Bloodhunting for example. Both will give you something and will drive up unrest so that even if he does kick you out then he will be unable to recruit units for awhile.

Preaching with loads of priests. That can be a big help. Especially if you think his god is in there. Even if you dont dominion-kill him it can help to have him MUCH lower in hit points when you do finally invade