what do you think of the racial techs?

tesco samoa · #1 January 16th, 2002, 07:20 PM

I like the Racial techs.

They really come into play in the long running games.

That is where I think Organic has the advantage due to the Replicant centres.

Temporal has the advantage once you get there ship yards.

It should be the first thing you build on every planet with more than one slot. I will speed up the construction of everything.

Crystal for porkers.

Religion and Psychic are equal

But combining the different traits is what really brings out the strenghts in the techs.

Religion and Crystal for defence.

Temporal and Organic for offence.

Psy and Religion for just scaring people.

And all the other combinations.

I really enjoy figuring out how to counter other pbem players combinations in the 3000 or 5000 point games.

So when you ask what do I think of the racial techs???

I like them.

Fyron · #2 January 17th, 2002, 01:36 AM

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If you have a shield depleter as first weapon and the shard cannon as secondary weapon you might change your mind.

No, I won't change my mind. What difference does that make If I am an organic race using shields on my ships than if I am a standard race using shields? And if you use up space for shield depleters, then you'll be able to do even less physical damage. Meanwhile, with my organic weapons, I can build 20-30% more ships than you, thereby overwhelming the under-powered crystalline weapons.

Egregius · #3 January 17th, 2002, 02:13 AM

I dare say crystalline armor rules.

Skulky · #4 January 17th, 2002, 05:03 AM

I dare disagree and say that organic armor is hella better, especially in the early game unless there is a cyrstalline player. Sure channeling 15+ points of damage into sheilds is great but what happens when i kill your armor, it dies, mine regenerates (especially with 10-12 components per base ship). The best is actually the bio-crystial armor from P&N, but hey if its not a P&N game just go with organic, ask IF.

Q · #5 January 17th, 2002, 01:38 PM

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Originally posted by suicide_junkie:
How would you describe an empire that uses ALL 5 racial techs at once?
Fun != Optimal Race Choice.

Probably I would call it a doomed race in a low starting tech game!
At least my experience with two racial technologies showed me that these races are so weak in the early game that they usually don't survive to harvest the fruits of their racial technologies.

oleg · #6 January 18th, 2002, 02:42 AM

I really like Crystall tech. 8-9 crystall armour on ship makes it immune to seekers ! Nasty surprise for organic ships loaded with seeking parasites. Nobody so far mentioned Energy Transmition Lens. 60 shield points do not look much since ships routinely have hundreds if not thousands shield points. However, ETS works on fighters as well. The only problem that it adds 60 not to each individual fighter but to the whole stack. Stack of 20 will get just 3 points per fighter. So usually I make special "decoy" fighters launched in group of 1 and actual attack fighters in big Groups. Each decoy fighter usually have 2 shields and with help of ETS soak up 4 PDC-5 shots ! While killer group can approach without loses and wrek havoc. It is not easy to make it work in strategic combat but the effect is devastating.

Oleg.

Suicide Junkie · #7 January 17th, 2002, 04:09 PM

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Probably I would call it a doomed race in a low starting tech game!
At least my experience with two racial technologies showed me that these races are so weak in the early game that they usually don't survive to harvest the fruits of their racial technologies.

Against AIs you get a pure military challenge, not insurmountable.
Against Humans, you've gotta sell your advantages:
"I'll give you 5,000 KT of ships, any design you like (incl. racial techs A, B & C), if you give me the non-racial techs required"
Sure, you may not have a good chance of winning, but that's not the point. Your gifted ships can influence the balance of power in the galaxy.