Rating PD

[HoneyBadger]

Yep, I'll just add it to the 12 or so nation-mods I'm making now. Should have it out to you by, say, the year 3005

[llamabeast]

I think that Niefelheim PD being sucky is great, it gives an otherwise extremely strong nation a nice weak point. It seems thematic, too - you might not be able to beat the giants head-on (their armies will stomp you), but you can at least run around their backs and cause havoc.

[HoneyBadger]

I don't so much mind Niefel having a weak PD as I do the inability to strong it up with a lot of investment. That's the rub for me-I don't expect the "average" Jotun to be able to count to two using both hands, but they've got some *really* clever bastards at the top-they were able to trick the Aesir on many occasions, and Odhinn (Wotan or however we're spelling his name this year) went to them for wisdom. They even intermarry *with* the Aesir on a regular basis.

They've traditionally got access to a lot of deep powers (like shapeshifting and illusion) and strong allies (like dragons, trolls, dwarves, mountain, fire, and sea giants, Hel, and Loki and his kids).

So yes, I can see the bottom-rung Jotuns being as weak as they are, but the top end should be appropriately gigantic.