Air Cobras

[Mobhack]

Dimitry said:
Yes, the talk was about AH-1F. I apologize for the misprint.
As for the AN/ALQ-144 - as far as I know this is the very infrared jammer. So this is still in-game EW of 3. Also I would be grateful for the link to your sources.

An EW value of 3 is an EW value of 3. That is one that is one more than 2, and one less than 4. It is nothing to do with a specific type of electronic warfare system. It cannot be - as the game has no concept of infrared, radar, laser optical or whatever in terms of AAA warfare.

The only specific usage of specific EW values are when they are used as magic numbers for non-ew purposes for non AAA units. There, 1-2 is VIRSS and 3-4 is anti-ATGM CIWS.

So "EW" is just a magic number, more being better. And the USA/NATO tends to have better EW numbers than the Soviet ones.


Cheers
Andy

[Dimitry]

2 Andy

An EW value of 3 is an EW value of 3. That is one that is one more than 2, and one less than 4. It is nothing to do with a specific type of electronic warfare system. It cannot be - as the game has no concept of infrared, radar, laser optical or whatever in terms of AAA warfare.

Well, I can be mistaken but the principles of IR jammers (chaffs, flares, some decoys etc.) for land and air units are mostly the same.
So here's the Mobhack's Help quotation:
".....A value of 1 in this case is 1 shot of Arena active anti ATGM countermeasures, 2 is 2. 3 is 1 shot of Visual and Infrared Screening Smoke (VIRSS) which ejects anti TI smoke, possibly linked to an IR Jammer as well...."
I repeat, I can be mistaken, but it seems to be right way for aircraft/helicopter IR jammer's estimation in EW points.
And BTW - Could you clarify for me the criteria of in-game EW estimation? What is it based on?

And the USA/NATO tends to have better EW numbers than the Soviet ones.

Is it assumptions, or you have documentary proof?



2 thatguy96

Thanks for info, but Internet links would be better.
As for me, I have books on the subject too - but as you can see I use only internet sources. So anyone can check them.

[thatguy96]

Dimitry said:
2 thatguy96

Thanks for info, but Internet links would be better.
As for me, I have books on the subject too - but as you can see I use only internet sources. So anyone can check them.

Anyone can check them, but they're rarely right. I prefer to stick to published print resources for fact checking, especially of internet sources.

[Dimitry]

thatguy96 said:
Anyone can check them, but they're rarely right. I prefer to stick to published print resources for fact checking

So I can stick to russian print resources and that will be considered as an argument?

[thatguy96]

Its happened before around here, I really don't see what the problem is. Print sources have been called upon many times around here, including those in languages other than English.

[Dimitry]

Its happened before around here, I really don't see what the problem is.

Thank you, I'm really glad to hear that! I hope that all the others on this forum share your opinion.

[narwan]

Not all printed sources are the same quality, just like not all internet sources are the same quality. And that's the ultimate point, the quality of a source.

[Mobhack]

Well, I can be mistaken but the principles of IR jammers (chaffs, flares, some decoys etc.) for land and air units are mostly the same.
So here's the Mobhack's Help quotation:
".....A value of 1 in this case is 1 shot of Arena active anti ATGM countermeasures, 2 is 2. 3 is 1 shot of Visual and Infrared Screening Smoke (VIRSS) which ejects anti TI smoke, possibly linked to an IR Jammer as well...."
I repeat, I can be mistaken, but it seems to be right way for aircraft/helicopter IR jammer's estimation in EW points.
And BTW - Could you clarify for me the criteria of in-game EW estimation? What is it based on?

I know what the Mobhack help states, since I wrote the help for my editor. So - please read the complete paragraph from the help file, with the the important bit being highlighted in bold:

EW - Electronic Warfare value. Mainly used for AA vs aircraft capability. For non flak on map units which are vehicles, the field is used for special countermeasures devices. A value of 1 in this case is 1 shot of Arena active anti ATGM countermeasures, 2 is 2. 3 is 1 shot of Visual and Infrared Screening Smoke (VIRSS) which ejects anti TI smoke, possibly linked to an IR Jammer as well. 4 is 2 VIRSS shots. This field changes colour and displays a note when VIRSS or Arena are valid.

So as I said in the post you replied to, an EW number is simply a number where a 1 is better than a 2, in the case where the EW is being used for its normal usage. That is as a defensive AAA value (on planes) or as an offensive item (flak or AAA). Not as a special usage for land units anti-ATGM (or artillery observer fire control which is another dual use of the EW field).

Try looking at an MBT with a 3 or 4 in the EW field in Mobhack - the field is highlighted in blue text and a text string for VIRSS is displayed. A helicopter or a SAM or a plane does not have any such highlighting since it is not a special case usage of the EW field for non-AAA use.

Cheers
Andy

[Dimitry]

Mobhack said:

So as I said in the post you replied to, an EW number is simply a number where a 1 is better than a 2, in the case where the EW is being used for its normal usage.

And what about those F117 with EW 20? As far as I can see here EW indicates the stealth technology.

Mobhack said:
Try looking at an MBT with a 3 or 4 in the EW field in Mobhack - the field is highlighted in blue text and a text string for VIRSS is displayed. A helicopter or a SAM or a plane does not have any such highlighting since it is not a special case usage of the EW field for non-AAA use.

Cheers
Andy

In that case how do you decide what amount of EW points are to be given to each air unit? For example, why does B-52 have EW of 10 - not 8 or 6?
What are yours criterias of in-game EW estimation? What is it based on?
BTW - why USA/NATO tends to have better EW numbers than the Soviet ones?