Magic duel and R'lyeh Mind Lords

[vfb]

How about a simple Twist Fate or Personal Luck? Did he cast either of those? Can they even protect you from Magic Duel?

[Meglobob]

vfb said:
How about a simple Twist Fate or Personal Luck? Did he cast either of those? Can they even protect you from Magic Duel?

No, the mind lord did nat have a chance to cast any spell before the magic duel went off.

I would attach the game file but its my latest turn in a MP, so obviously I can't.

Is everyone 100% sure that Mind Lords aren't immune to magic duel? It will not be the first ability to exist in the game yet be absent from any rulebook/ingame description.

[Baalz]

As the R'yleh player in question I can attest that there is no reason I know of that the mind duel did not work. In another battle the same turn the mind duel worked (Meglobob's caster died), but this one seemed to have no effect other than a graphic appearing on the Mind Lord removing any doubt as to the target of the spell (I only had one dude anyway). I guess Mind Lord's don't duel fair..."We'll draw on three. One...Two..BLAM!"

[DrPraetorious]

I think I've seen this happen as well.

Let's look at the magic duel spell, first of all:
effect 27 - magic duel only.
precision of 100.
range of 100.
damage of 999 (instant death, I assume).
It has a 41 in one of the mysterious argument fields, but the rest are empty.
It has a special field of 8388736, which means it's armor negating and works underwater.

So it isn't a MR check.

My guess would be that magic duel leaves both of them alive on a tie? This is inconsistent with the documentation, I don't know what's going on.

[Baalz]

If so that's not only inconsistent with the documentation, but also different than in Dom2.

Anyway, given the number of lizard shamen and Mind Lords involved in this war I'm guessing Bob will be further testing the Mind Lords vulnerability to mind duel.

[vfb]

I tested it, so I'm 100% sure Mind Lords are not Magic-Duel-Immune. I fried a Mind Lord in a Magic Duel using an S9 Oceana pretender.

[Meglobob]

vfb said:
I tested it, so I'm 100% sure Mind Lords are not Magic-Duel-Immune. I fried a Mind Lord in a Magic Duel using an S9 Oceana pretender.

I assume the mind lord died?

So that would seem to indicate that a tie results in both surviving rather than both dieing like the manual spell description clearly states.

I know magic duel works, because I have used it too good effect before against Acro.

[ologm]

Didn't magic duel become less lethal a while back?

[vfb]

Meglobob said:
I assume the mind lord died?

So that would seem to indicate that a tie results in both surviving rather than both dieing like the manual spell description clearly states.

Yeah, vanished in a puff of blue protoplasm or whatever it is Mind Lords are made of.

I'll create an S3 Oceana pretender instead and run a few tests, I should only have to run it a few times before I get a tie.

Edit: I ran a ton of tests. When it was tied, both died. Code:

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castspell: cnr19 spl271 (Magic Duel) vis3 x37 y15 spldmg999

vis 3 xvis 2

blastsqr: unr252 x37 y15 aoe1 dmg999 eff27 spc8388736 as10225 al9

  affectvic vic505 hv0

hitunit 252 505 dmg999 spec8388736 ba-1

damage 505 dmg1006 spec0 ba-1

looseallitems: cnr 22(Geth) unr 505

damage 252 dmg1006 spec0 ba-1

looseallitems: cnr 19(Vukan) unr 252

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[vfb]

Last idea: Bob, was the mage who cast Magic Duel holding a Pendant of Luck? Did your mage cast Twist Fate/Personal Luck before Magic Duel? He may have lost the duel, but taken no damage because of the pendant/spells.