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[quantum_mechani]

I can understand why having two globals might worry people, but just because I'm slightly ahead of the game in that one area doesn't mean a lot of other people won't be soon throwing up their globals too.

I should also point out that as far as worrying about a nation being on the fast track to winning, that Helhiem is not one of the nations already bloated on huge areas of conquests (Mictlan, Niefelhiem, or Ulm). The case of Mictlan is particularly worrying given how huge they can - invisibly - grow their blood economy. They even have access to probably the most efficient blood outlet in the game, in the form of super-blessed jaguar fiends.

[Hellboy]

quantum_mechani said:jaguar fiends.

Jaquar fiends? What do you mean, "jaquar fiends"? Oh, you're probably talking about our cats that fly: we call them "Dandelion Cats". Honestly, in Mictlan our children raise them for pets. No threat to anyone. Really.

[Meglobob]

Hellboy said:
Well, Helheim has had up both Forge of the Ancients and Well of Misery up for a while now - does anyone care?

Niefelheim has been extremly concerned about the huge, massive power Helheim has for some time now.

Hellboy said:I guess I would've expected a neighbor of Helheim's to initiate some coordinated effort to dispel these (especially the FoTA) - does Helheim have no hostile neighbors?

No because we are all completely terrified of him and don't want to be the first one splatted! Also we are waiting for someone to organise such an alliance!

quantum_mechani said:I can understand why having two globals might worry people, but just because I'm slightly ahead of the game in that one area doesn't mean a lot of other people won't be soon throwing up their globals too.

Anyone with half a brain should realise this is utter, utter rubbish. Here is the full awful truth of Helheim's strategy.

Research construction, get forge of ancients, continue to research construction, get all the unique artifacts, trying to get the chalice in particular. Then research conjuration all the way to Tartarians (now you know why he wanted the chalice), casting well of misery and summoning all the limited number of water/air queens and earth/fire kings etc.... Obviously by now Helheim will have a huge number of SC's and shortly roll over everyone in his path.

Game over.

[quantum_mechani]

Meglobob said:

Anyone with half a brain should realise this is utter, utter rubbish. Here is the full awful truth of Helheim's strategy.

Research construction, get forge of ancients, continue to research construction, get all the unique artifacts, trying to get the chalice in particular. Then research conjuration all the way to Tartarians (now you know why he wanted the chalice), casting well of misery and summoning all the limited number of water/air queens and earth/fire kings etc.... Obviously by now Helheim will have a huge number of SC's and shortly roll over everyone in his path.

Game over.

Trying to roll over everyone with SCs would actually be a pretty poor plan, they are always nice supplements to forces, but there are too many counters.

I should also note I'm more than willing to share the bounty of FotA, just let me know what kind of items you are interested in and anyone could be getting great discounts too.

Lastly, I think Niefelhiem has more than little bit of ulterior motive in trying to redirect the ganging... some scouts in their lands quickly shows a territory that is both vast and almost unassailable in the in the foreseeable future.

[Meglobob]

quantum_mechani said:Lastly, I think Niefelhiem has more than little bit of ulterior motive in trying to redirect the ganging... some scouts in their lands quickly shows a territory that is both vast and almost unassailable in the in the foreseeable future.

Okay then my god is willing to swap nations with you, you come north to rule Niefelheim and I will come south to rule Helheim, what do you say? Deal?

Interesting, that you accuse Niefelheim, Mictlan and even Ulm of the same thing having vast lands...also you mention ganging up...this is Helheim's only weakness, if every nation turns against him and jointly attacks him then we all have a chance. No alliance equals no chance.

[quantum_mechani]

Meglobob said:

Okay then my god is willing to swap nations with you, you come north to rule Niefelheim and I will come south to rule Helheim, what do you say? Deal?

An interesting idea, but the amount of time to figure out what was going on with a nation this far along, and then come up with plans for it, is scary.

Interesting, that you accuse Niefelheim, Mictlan and even Ulm of the same thing having vast lands...also you mention ganging up...this is Helheim's only weakness, if every nation turns against him and jointly attacks him then we all have a chance. No alliance equals no chance.

I freely admit my nation is one of the more powerful in the game at the moment, but I think it's being put above other threats simply because globals are so visible. In a game without graphs, casting globals is really sticking your neck out, it's one of the only easy ways you can tell when someone is doing well. But just because other (possibly more prudent) nations haven't cast them doesn't mean they are not also doing extremely well.

[Hellboy]

quantum_mechani said:
I freely admit my nation is one of the more powerful in the game at the moment, but I think it's being put above other threats simply because globals are so visible. In a game without graphs, casting globals is really sticking your neck out, it's one of the only easy ways you can tell when someone is doing well. But just because other (possibly more prudent) nations haven't cast them doesn't mean they are not also doing extremely well.

We of Mictlan assess Helheim as the most powerful nation in the world, and we do not make this assessment by global spells alone. For one, we look at research. With Conjuration 9 (based on reports of Helheim having Tartarians) and Construction 8+ it seems clear that Helheim's research is well beyond that of other nations. In addition, based on our scouting (which is admittedly incomplete), Helheim is much larger than Mictlan, at least. From what we have seen Ulm is rather large, but it appears that Ulm's territory is less secure, being surrounded on all sides.

In short, we encourage all nations to recognize Helheim for the threat that it is. The globals are dangerous in and of themselves, but there is plenty of evidence that these globals are only the beginning of the threat that is Helheim. It is also worth mentioning that globals are easily brought down when multiple nations distribute the cost.

[GameExtremist]

Helheil has a Tartarian spirit and sure using a few SC's to roll ppl over is a poor plan...but an army of SC's is very scary when you have none of your own.

[BigDisAwesome]

Anyone care to let me in on why both nations I have NAP's with both informed me they're letting them expire within the last 2 turns? I have been a good neighbor with both Ulm and Niefelheim.
I hope Agartha hasn't been sweet talking both of you into fighting his war.




On a side note, I didn't get a NAP with Agartha cause then I'd have them with all my neighbors except Ry'leh, and getting in the water is a pain. And in my opinion you can't just have NAP with every single neighbor of yours.