Conceptual Balance (Discussion)

[Xietor]

you consider guardians elite? I consider vans and elephants elite, and they are recruited all over. And on a large map, you may never see your guardians(map move 1) or other elite capital troops because it is too hard and not worth the effort to get them to the front lines. So you may well not get to use your favorite troops at all mid and late game.

I agree in principle with your statement, but the thread is about balance. vanaheim do not get dwarves all over, but they can research fine from their capital, and they can search sites remotely. But troops whose value is exclusively in combat cannot be put into play from their capitals.

So, it may be worth exploring in the concept of balancing the nations.

[Shovah32]

Theres a difference between elite and powerful. Units like guardians are supposed to go through extreme amounts of training ect.

[Cainehill]

Not to mention that units like elephants, while useful sometimes, are certainly not elite by any definition, and aren't necessarily even powerful.

[Xietor]

elephants grouped with hyperists, are a powerful against smaller units. They are certainly more powerful than a guardian unit from ulm(who also has a crappy mr), and in certain situations better than the KOA.

You are correct they are vulnerable to smite, mind blasts, astral magic, but they can trample some very powerful units as well. Units that otherwise are very hard to kill(double blessed vans). They fight to the bitter end when grouped with hyperists and they do get lots of afflictions, but arcos. can heal those.

[Sombre]

The LA Marignese high/grand inquisitor seems a bit overpriced at 210 for an oldage F1H3. The normal inquisitor is 110 and has the same abilities with only one less level of holy (F1H2).

[Sombre]

Oh and did you mean for LA agartha to not have Agarthan infantry (not the heavy or light variants) as recruitables?

I figure it's a bug, but maybe there's some reason.

[Edi]

Sombre, what are you talking about? LA Agartha does have the basic Agarthan Infantry (unit 1355) as recruitable and so does MA Agartha. Both had it in 3.06 already and nothing has changed in that regard with the new patch.