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May 9th, 2007, 12:51 PM
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Well, looks like another documented resource issue...LOL...what can we do...LOL...
The ultimate resource for anything remotely involved with the Patton development would be in "Patton A History of the American Medium Tank, by R.P. Hunnicutt". That guy puts insane amount of detail into his books. You name it its in there. Unfortunately, it comes at a heavy price. A new, if you can find one, is around $90.00, or least it was I was looking around it. I currently don't have the extra funds to drop on a book...
If anyone has this book on here, look up the dimensions at the back of the book for the M26 (T26E3). It will give us any thing we want to know.
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May 9th, 2007, 12:52 PM
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Re: Pershing Icon Set
Thank you, I think so too.. 
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May 10th, 2007, 08:17 AM
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Re: Pershing Icon Set
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oragus said:
Well, looks like another documented resource issue...LOL...what can we do...LOL...
The ultimate resource for anything remotely involved with the Patton development would be in "Patton A History of the American Medium Tank, by R.P. Hunnicutt". <snip>
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The first source quoted on that website I posted was Hunnicutt, R.P. Pershing: A History of the Medium Tank T20 Series. Bellingham, WA: Feist Publications, Inc., 1996. and the last source quoted was Hunnicutt, R.P. Patton: A History of the American Main Battle Tank, volume 1. Navato, CA: Presidio Press, 1984.
IDK why there would be so much variance in regards to length from so many sources for that vehicle unless some measure just the hull and other measure the mud guards etc but that website included them in the overall length ( and width )and that's what we use to build an Icon
Don
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May 10th, 2007, 10:25 AM
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Re: Pershing Icon Set
Yeah, I saw that those were listed in that sites references after I actually scrolled all the way down to the bottom.
It does make we wonder that too, you would think they would be at least close. Someone must have had the measuring tape wrapped around their leg when they were measuring it...LOL...
Here is the kicker though, I resized a M-46 Patton to that sites specs and now it looks too small. I put it next to my T-54/55 and now the T-54/55 is larger than the M-46? Ah, yeah, okay...LOL... Some where something is off? Either there is just a general error some where with specs or my "The Greenhill Armoured Fighting Vehicles Data Book" is flat out wrong. I have a hard time believing that Ian V. Hogg was involved with something flat out wrong. That guy, to the best of my knowledge, has always produced good quality work? If it is my book, that sucks! I have made a ton of icons based on its info.
Either way, who knows, when there are so many different resources published in book form and noted on the web. Could be a combination of everything? Who knows?
Joe
I attached the resized M-46 next to a T-54 with the original M-46 on the bottom. Just so you see what I am referring too.
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May 10th, 2007, 11:55 AM
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Re: Pershing Icon Set
Hogg's specialty is guns not dimensions of tanks. I doubt very much if he had anything at all to do with the dimensions of the vehicles listed in that guide
Don
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May 10th, 2007, 12:32 PM
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Yeah, I know, I have quite a few of his publications on artillery. Still, I doubt he would put his name on something he didn't believe was accurate?
Either way. A bit frustrating is what it is.
Thanks for the good talk though Don. Its appreciated.
Joe
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May 10th, 2007, 02:58 PM
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Re: Pershing Icon Set
After reviewing the three top view drawings I have of this thing and making a few adjustment to the Icon this seems to be closer to the proportions of the M26. The composite at the lower right has a rear hull shadow line
3x normal size
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May 10th, 2007, 03:34 PM
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Re: Pershing Icon Set
So, what are the actual pixel dimensions on your mod here?
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