What do you think about the VQ vamps freespawns ?

[RamsHead]

I can't say for sure that that was the reason, but that is mainly because I try to forget about the cheater Norfleet.

They need to be re-etherealized.

[quantum_mechani]

The original nerfs to the VQ were indeed in the era of Norfleet, who was well know for using them. However that set of nerfs was hardly overboard, the very original VQ was something like 75 points, 20 new path cost. She was at that point simply miles ahead of basically any other pretender choice.

She was pretty well balanced after that in Dom2 (50 path cost, reasonable base cost), but when Dom3 came along a second round of nerfs hit that made her the sorry excuse for a pretender she is right now.

I think removing ethereal from vampires was a good, thematic change. It never made much sense to me that they were ethereal- they aren't ghosts. The problem is just that the vampires were not given anything to make up for it, not even a price discount.

[Ironhawk]

She was fine in dom2 after the last round of balancing. She cost a fortune in design points but she was worth it. And the high price tag made it not a default choice - you had to consider all your options.

As for ethereal, that would definitely do the trick. But is there any other way to balance her back into power w/o using ethereal? IMO, I've never thought of vampires as ethereal anyway. Ghosts, Wraiths, sure. But not vampires.