Communion - items of master affect slaves ?

[Edi]

Slaves must have magic or communion does not work.

[Shovah32]

Do buffs cast by the master before the communion affect the slaves? If not the effect mentioned would only work with matrices.

[Baalz]

Wow, that's kinda weird. Sounds like things that effectively autocast a spell at combat start would also work (charcoal shield, rhime haubrik, crystal shield, ?boots of quickness?, amulet of missile protection....). Hmmm, wonder about that artifact that gives blood vengance...>

[Yrkoon]

That is good, so most thugs can not be buffed that way. The bug is still exploitable with spellcasters though.

In the case of Kaisala, there are some pretty nasty 4 armed summonable thugs that are spellcasters too, and I can see how they would become very very deadly with just a slave matrix.

[Shovah32]

The 4 armed guys, imo, are better with self buffing as its very easy for a fragile mage to die(although a second of the summonable thugs/SCs doing the buffing and then joining the fight may work well)

[atul]

I think all the items that mimic some spell effect function by actually casting the spell on their holder immediately at the beginning of the combat. That's why for example the wielder of Crystal Shield can't cast Power of the Spheres in combat (it's already cast on him).

And personal spells with range of 0 are transferred to communion slaves, just witness the fun of the master casting Phoenix Pyre and retreating.

[Wish]

if i recall, in dom 2, slaves did get the self-buffs that the master cast.

I imagine it is still the same in dom 3.

the charge body is mimicking a self-buff spell, and the resist lightning is probably mimicking a buff others spell.

a quick test with pythium reveals this to still be the case.

[Velusion]

Edi said:
Slaves must have magic or communion does not work.

What about the Pyhtium communion guys? They don't have magic and it obviously works...

[Shovah32]

Pythiums communicants are an exception.

[MaxWilson]

Communicants are an exception in more ways than one. They take less fatigue than theurgs from casting spells in communion, especially for high-path magics. For instance, in a test game with an S5F4 caster, 2 communicants took a total of 112 fatigue (8 + 108) when the master was scripted to <Communion Master, Astral Shield, Flame Storm>. 2 theurgs scripted to <Communion Slave> took 23 fatigue from casting Communion Slave, 31 and 41 more from Astral Shield (making 54 and 64 respectively), and 115 and 136+ from Flame Storm (making 181 and 200, and the 200 guy was down 1 hit point). I have no good explanation for this, but Pythium communicants are far better than normal communion slaves for fatigue. Especially if you do like Wish and give them Standards of the Damned so they can Drain Life.

-Max