obat44 - West Germany

[Arralen]

v3.5 .. great to see the Puma on board finally ..
.. but only 1 armor variant?!

However, I spotted a glaring bug:

The Leopard 1 A5 ended its service on 31.12.2003
wikipedia

(One of the) Last unit(s) equipped with the "Leo 1" was the Panzerbataillon 74 (inofficially nicknamed "Die Eisenschweine" = "The Iron Pigs"), which was decommissioned on that date: PzBtl 74

[DRG]

On the list.....

Don

[Arralen]

obat44 - W.Germany - Version Mar/2010

W#182 27mm BordKannon
- what is a "27mm BordKannon"? It's either "27mm on-board cannon", "27mm Bordkanone", or (better: ) according to german milspeak "Bordkanone 27mm" or (best: ) "27mm Mauser BK-27" - used in the Panavia Tornado, the Alpha Jet, the JAS 39 Gripen, and the Eurofighter Typhoon.

W#7 G3, W#8 G36, W#9 G11 ...
- G36 gets Acc 6 !?! .. G11 might be ok with "3", surely not G36 with "6".

U#229-241/250-252/257 and many more:
"PzGrenadiers" => "PzGrenadiere"
"Pioneers" => "Pioniere"
"Paratroops" => "Fallschirmjaeger" (sgl. & pl.)

U#519-523 Fernspah Sec
- it's "Fernspaeher" (sgl. & pl.)
- remove the "Sec", as it is not part of the name. "Trupp" would be correct. Strength is 4 or 6 men, depending on mission (objective) => 4 men "Trupp", 6 men "Verst(aerkter). Trupp", although I'm not sure if the later one is correct.
Info on wikipedia seems to be as correct as things can get with such units
- equipment is too heavy. Remove MG3 and all tank busting equipment. Add sniper rifles where missing. One could argue for satchel charges for special assignments, but those should be up to a scenario designer, not part of the standard OOB

U#495-499 "Mtn. Scouts"
- are basically duplicates to U#420-424 "Gebirgsjaeger" (which are properly named, at least)

U#52-54/118 Marder A3/A5
- does not get Vis40 (TI), but U#68 SpPz Luchs A3 does? Is the "Wärmebildgerät" used in "Marder" inferior to that used in "Luchs"?

U#93 Gepard A3
- End-of-Service is 31.12.2010. There are claims that some will be stored until Mantis/Ozelot is fully combat-ready, but as the Gepard is phased out because of maintenance/update costs, I doubt they would be of much use, and therefore used, at all, even if some are stored. (They like storing things, like severel 100k G3 rifles, so it's not completely unlikely)

U#103 M109A3G
- End of Service 31.5.2007. wikipedia (en, ge) has lots of source which seem reliable

U#153 105mm Section
- the "Feldhaubitze 105mm" is only used for salute any more. Most likely for decades (Artilleriereform '85 or something like that) EoS 2020 is obviously completly incorrect. http://www.deutschesheer.de/portal/a...%2Fcontent.jsp

U#155 155mm Section
- "Last unit (225th Mountain Artillery Battalion) converted to tracked artillery in 2002"


... there are many more errors I noticed skimming through the OOB, where
a) equipment is given as available years or even a decade after it has been phased out
b) equipment is duplicated, like having Milan-III in PzGr squads, and another Milan squad in the same platoon

Sadly, I don't have the time to check them all ...

[Arralen]

Stumbled upon the next one:

Unit #55/56 GTK Boxer
Is surely not available from 1/2007, but from 10/2010 at best - most likely later, considering all the delays that already happened
http://www.bmvg.de/portal/a/bmvg/kcx...ntent.jsp.html

That makes the following formations "hang in the air", as they won't have any transport before that date:

F#230/231 MRAV
F#235/236 MRAV Recce
.. and others ...

I would suggest using Unit #551 Fuchs 2+ instead - I'm not sure, but which other vehicle is reported to be used e.g. in Afghanistan?
MRAV Recce gets the Marder A5 - but that one can carry only 6, but the Jaegers are 9 men ... Btw., it looks like the Marders are not primarily used as APC, but as support "tanks", as the Fuchs APC only have MG3 ... .
Therefore it would make sense replace the Marder in the APC role, but add some additional ones as support .. wait, that's what the APC/IFV duality in that formation is for .. must have a closer look ...

[Marcello]

equipment is given as available years or even a decade after it has been phased out

Well defining end dates in a lot of case is a tricky affair, since the basic assumption for the game is at least a degree of mobilization.

U#52-54/118 Marder A3/A5
- does not get Vis40 (TI), but U#68 SpPz Luchs A3 does? Is the "Wärmebildgerät" used in "Marder" inferior to that used in "Luchs"?

OTOH the Luchs did get thermal sights in some upgrade, but I never researched Germany.

[Arralen]

Originally Posted by Marcello

OTOH the Luchs did get thermal sights in some upgrade, but I never researched Germany.

Both got their TI equipment during upgrades .. though it might not be the same one .. havn't found any credible sources 'bout what has been upgraded to - therefore it might be possible that the WBG used in Marder is of inferior type, maybe unable to see through smoke (though unlikely).

[Arralen]

Unit #323 GMTF(DURO IIIP)
.. is missing its pic !


SPz Puma ( "Puma IFV" )
... will only be available from late 2011/2012 onwards ...

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Originally Posted by Arralen

Unit #323 GMTF(DURO IIIP)
.. is missing its pic !

SHOCKING !


http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showt...t=31875&page=9

DL the Pictures.zip from message 82

Don

[DRG]

Originally Posted by Arralen

SPz Puma ( "Puma IFV" )
... will only be available from late 2011/2012 onwards ...

When we first put it in three or four years(+) ago 6/2009 seemed a reasonable guesstimate. Unfortunately, despite what some may think I have neither the time nor the inclination to continually check on the status of every vehicle in the game that may or may not actually make it to the troops and since I'm not on the German high commands mailing list this one seems to have slipped by everyone but you. ( attaboy ! ) We do catch and correct what we can but in many cases it's players who spot issues like this and IF I change the start date to say.........1/2012,( another " reasonable guesstimate" at this time and date ) how much do you want to bet that will eventually be proven wrong giving someone else the joy of pointing out an error in the game.

However , I am noting all this down for whenever we decide to issue the next release and happily you do seem to be finding the time to let us know about at least a few of them.

Don