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Old July 3rd, 2007, 08:47 PM
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Thankyou for your answer.

I should think it would be used with an Auto-loader. The Germans had a semi-auto loader, in as much as it still required help from a crewman or two to get it to function. An auto-loader was not beyond them. As for its function, well I suppose it is an overkill weapon. It was after all intended for the next generation Jagdpanzers. We all know those things were monstrously huge.

Yes, an overkill weapon. Lets be honest, the 150mm and 128mm would likely be the mainstay of the jagdppanzer force. The 175mm would be the extra big piece wheeled out on special occasions to cause terror in the enemy ranks.

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For the HEAT warheads, I meant by the 3* and 10* that the penetration value for new rounds could be rounded up with the following rule: penetration equals 3 times caliber for anything 50s to 80s, give and take 10-20% depending on the date and tech level.

And IIRC is internet slang abbreviation for "if I remember corectly"
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I have thought more about it. If the 175mm gun is meant for a tank destroyer, rather than some uber tank as I assumed initially, it might be possible to set up something to load it without an autoloader. The shell for the Sturmtiger was 345kg so handling a 175mm round should be technically feasible,if still massively unwieldy. Still it isn't a good idea; you have to remember that in real life the germans were cut off from tungsten sources when Franco turned the back to them. Given that all those advanced shell designs required tungsten this meant that they could not be produced. Therefore the only way to improve AP performance was building bigger guns, despite the disadvantages.
Assuming that instead tungsten can be purchased it seems to me quite likely that the germans would have developed more sophisticated rounds, it is not like they were clueless in this area (see the PAK 41 for example). As I said a 128mm with an APDS would deal with everything the russian can field, save maybe (and I mean maybe) the few IS-7 which will be made. For those a few 150mm with APDS will be more than enough.
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3x the Calibre? Ok, just to clarify can I have some examples? Thanks for explaining what "IIRC" means.
As for Spain, well in the mod I am working on, the Germans have access to the Spanish tungsten. Besides, the guns are nice and long so both bases are covered. I do agree though, tanks that big with guns that big are unwieldy and only good in open terain. Ideal for the Russian Steppe then.

What do you think about the figures I have already posted up?
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off-topic:
just a thought, shouldn't you give germany access to portuguese tungsten, rather than spanish tungsten?
since AFAIK at the time of the war the major sources of tungsten ore were in portugal, not in spain
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Spain, Portugal, either way they have access to it!
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These figures are, by now probably out of date!

Ok, Here we have the new figures for the 175mm and, the as of yet unmentioned, 128mm guns. What do you guys think?

For the 175mm (60s Variant):

Weapon class: 7
Accuracy: 12
Weapon size: 12
Warhead size: 9
HE Pen.: 4
HE Kill: 25
AP Pen.: -
AP Kill: -
Sabot Pen.: 46
Sabot range: 115
HEAT Pen.: 56
Weapon range: 125

For the 175mm (70s Variant):

Weapon class: 7
Accuracy: 12
Weapon size: 12
Warhead size: 9
HE Pen.: 4
HE Kill: 25
AP Pen.: -
AP Kill: -
Sabot Pen.: 50
Sabot range: 120
HEAT Pen.: 62
Weapon range: 130

For the 175mm (80s Variant):

Weapon class: 7
Accuracy: 12
Weapon size: 12
Warhead size: 9
HE Pen.: 4
HE Kill: 25
AP Pen.: -
AP Kill: -
Sabot Pen.: 58
Sabot range: 130
HEAT Pen.: 65
Weapon range: 130

For the 128mm (60s Variant):

Weapon class: 7
Accuracy: 11
Weapon size: 12
Warhead size: 7
HE Pen.: 3
HE Kill: 14
AP Pen.: -
AP Kill: -
Sabot Pen.: 40
Sabot range: 110
HEAT Pen.: 50
Weapon range: 120


For the 128mm (70s Variant):

Weapon class: 7
Accuracy: 11
Weapon size: 12
Warhead size: 7
HE Pen.: 3
HE Kill: 16
AP Pen.: -
AP Kill: -
Sabot Pen.: 45
Sabot range: 110
HEAT Pen.: 55
Weapon range: 120

For the 128mm (80s Variant):

Weapon class: 7
Accuracy: 11
Weapon size: 12
Warhead size: 7
HE Pen.: 3
HE Kill: 17
AP Pen.: -
AP Kill: -
Sabot Pen.: 52
Sabot range: 120
HEAT Pen.: 65
Weapon range: 120

For the 128mm (90s Variant):

Weapon class: 7
Accuracy: 14
Weapon size: 12
Warhead size: 7
HE Pen.: 3
HE Kill: 18
AP Pen.: -
AP Kill: -
Sabot Pen.: 70
Sabot range: 120
HEAT Pen.: 65
Weapon range: 120
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