President Bush commuted 'Scooter' Libby's sentence

Lazy_Perfectionist · #1 July 5th, 2007, 08:42 PM

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Atrocities said:

If he has committed any convictable crimes then he should be charged in a court of law and prosecuted. Let the law deal with him and let the people pass legal judgment based upon true evidence and not just some far left propaganda bent upon character assassination and nothing more.

So, you support impeaching President Bush?

On the other side, Libby was dealt with by the law, and had legal judgment based on evidence provided by Patrick Fitgerald, ruled over by a judge (both republican appointed), and a guilty verdict is harder to reach than an innocent or hung jury. I have to think character assassination wasn't part of the deal. By the definition of perjury, its a knowing lie, not just being merely mistaken or forgetful.

Atrocities · #2 July 5th, 2007, 09:55 PM

I would support impeaching Bush or any president who breaks the law. I felt the impeachment of Clinton was a farce though. All Clinton had to say was "ya I banged that chick" and nuff said. But he opted to try and keep his personal life private and that is something that you cannot do holding the office that he held. Clinton should be pardon if Libby was pardoned in my honest opinion. Clinton's only crime was that he didn't just tell people to mind their own business.

I think the fine that Libby was given was adequate to his crime. I think that jail time for his crime was over reaching and not appropriate. However, if Libby was pardoned, then so should Clinton.

Atrocities · #3 July 5th, 2007, 09:58 PM

I fully support compensation be given to any one who was held and then later released after discovering that they were held without cause. How do you make something like that right after taking away a persons freedom and treating them as if they were not human? Somehow an apology just doesn't seem like enough of an apology at times like these.

Gandalf Parker · #4 July 6th, 2007, 11:29 AM

Ive followed the debates between Atrocities and Edi, and altho personally I would like to side with my old friend Atrocities Im afraid that the debate sways me more toward Edi's side.

By the way, some other points Im not sure if I saw....
George W Bush is the first President in U.S. history to enter office with a criminal record.
His list of blatantly stupid comments is long enough to fill, and has filled, a number of books.
He shattered the record for the largest annual deficit in U.S. history after following a president one of the largest deficit reductions.
He has broken more international treaties than any President in U.S. history.
He is the first President in U.S. history to have the United Nations remove the U.S. from the Human Rights Commission.
He withdrew the U.S. from the World Court of Law.
He refused to allow inspectors access to U.S. "prisoners of war" detainees and thereby has refused to abide by the Geneva Convention.
He is the first President in U.S. history to order an unprovoked*, pre-emptive attack and the military occupation of a sovereign nation. (the provoke thing is at beast highly questionable)
He is the first President in history to have a majority of Europeans (71%) view his presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and security.
And he has trashed the National Guard's usefulness by his blatant sidestepping of congress using an emergency clause to start a war.

Azselendor · #5 July 6th, 2007, 02:07 PM

Actually, doesn't the war powers act give him the ability to go to war for no reason for 90 days?

Atrocities · #6 July 6th, 2007, 06:42 PM

If the Europeans feel that the US is the largest threat to world peace then I wonder what they think of Puttman (sp) The ex-kgb hard core communist, opponent assassinating President of Russia?

Azselendor · #7 July 6th, 2007, 10:38 PM

They most likely look at the fact Russian military might is equal to that of Grenada.

Gandalf Parker · #8 July 8th, 2007, 12:50 PM

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Azselendor said:
Actually, doesn't the war powers act give him the ability to go to war for no reason for 90 days?

Yes that is what he used. But he used the National Guard, and if I remember correctly we are still there and the congress has not declared war yet.

As to the gay marriage thing, the initiatives can usually only give "equal rights" that are granted by the states. Thats nice (inheritance, taxes, recognizance, etc) but its not the same as marriage. Some important things still stay out such as hospitals. "Sorry but only family members can see him in ICU" and "we need to find a family member to sign this before we can save his life". There are a hundred ways every day that "only family members" comes up. Memberships, priveleges, rights. It can be very irritating for someone to run into those constantly. Equal partnership is good. Im glad to see those go thru but they are not enough.

Atrocities · #9 July 8th, 2007, 10:23 PM

This is why it is so very important to have a living will.

Baron Munchausen · #10 July 6th, 2007, 11:25 PM

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Gandalf Parker said:
Ive followed the debates between Atrocities and Edi, and altho personally I would like to side with my old friend Atrocities Im afraid that the debate sways me more toward Edi's side.

By the way, some other points Im not sure if I saw....
George W Bush is the first President in U.S. history to enter office with a criminal record.
His list of blatantly stupid comments is long enough to fill, and has filled, a number of books.
He shattered the record for the largest annual deficit in U.S. history after following a president one of the largest deficit reductions.
He has broken more international treaties than any President in U.S. history.
He is the first President in U.S. history to have the United Nations remove the U.S. from the Human Rights Commission.
He withdrew the U.S. from the World Court of Law.
He refused to allow inspectors access to U.S. "prisoners of war" detainees and thereby has refused to abide by the Geneva Convention.
He is the first President in U.S. history to order an unprovoked*, pre-emptive attack and the military occupation of a sovereign nation. (the provoke thing is at beast highly questionable)
He is the first President in history to have a majority of Europeans (71%) view his presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and security.
And he has trashed the National Guard's usefulness by his blatant sidestepping of congress using an emergency clause to start a war.

And nearly half of the US population currently favors his impeachment. More than half favor impeachment of VP Cheney.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070706...uspoliticsbush