What can cause Barbarian Uprisings?

Jazzepi · #1 August 7th, 2007, 01:44 AM

Your provinces can revolt against you, which is a factor of unrest I believe and has nothing to do with luck. In which case I think the province is left neutral, but empty of defenders regardless of province defense.

Or your provinces can be invaded by barbarians/heros/knights/necromancers (I'm sure there are a bunch I'm missing) in which case those forces attack the PD and any patrolling forces. If they win, then the province goes neutral and they sit in that province until kicked out.

Luck scales cause the invasions. Bad luck -3 means you are more likely to have events in general, and of those events they are more likely to be bad. Turmoil also helps determines the size of the attacking forces (I've seen 120 force barbarian hordes attack from turmoil 3) during unlucky events.

Another thing to note is that if you have dominion in a province you get all the good and bad effects. If you own a province, but do not have dominion in it, you only get the negative effects of the scales there. So you might own a province that has Order 3 misfortune 3, but have no dominion in it. Then that province counts as misfortune 3 only.

Jazzepi

Juzza · #2 August 7th, 2007, 03:23 AM

huh, I didn't know that about the good scales only taking effect in your own dominion, thanks Jazzepi, and hey, if turmoil increases the amount of barbians does order decrease the amount?

thejeff · #3 August 7th, 2007, 08:45 AM

Provinces can revolt?
Are you sure? I don't think I've ever seen it. And I've had provinces sit well over a 100 unrest for many turns.

lch · #4 August 7th, 2007, 11:22 AM

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thejeff said:
Provinces can revolt?
Are you sure? I don't think I've ever seen it. And I've had provinces sit well over a 100 unrest for many turns.

Yup. If they have high unrest in them and a bad event, they can chose to revolt and become independent again.

Hadrian_II · #5 August 7th, 2007, 11:38 AM

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lch said:

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thejeff said:
Provinces can revolt?
Are you sure? I don't think I've ever seen it. And I've had provinces sit well over a 100 unrest for many turns.

Yup. If they have high unrest in them and a bad event, they can chose to revolt and become independent again.

It might be that you not only need high unrest but also some turmoil scales for this event to happen.

Kristoffer O · #6 August 7th, 2007, 11:56 AM

> huh, I didn't know that about the good scales only taking effect in your own dominion

Neither did I, but I might be wrong.

Postitve scales in enemy dom do not count vs research. It affects if event is bad/good. YOu could say that it is good luck for the enemy dominion if you get a nasty event.

I don't think it affects the actual type of event (in regards to what might happen when it has been decided if the event is good or bad).

Barbarian hordes do only appear in misfortune 3 (might need turmoil 1 as well, not sure).
Knights in misfortune 2 IIRC.
Trolls in magical provinces.
Necromancers in Magic, Death and Misfortune IIRC.
Ancient precense in Magic 2 Growth 2 I would guess.

Almost all events (good and bad) has restrictions. Bad events might be restricted by good scales and vice versa.

The dying prince giving you his gold and items needs Death and Fortune.

Jazzepi · #7 August 7th, 2007, 11:59 AM

I tested this in several games. In armadillo I conquered the capital of Argatha who had magic 3. My mages did not get the research bonus until I preached out the 8 levels of dominion.

Jazzepi

lch · #8 August 7th, 2007, 04:36 PM

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Kristoffer O said:
Barbarian hordes do only appear in misfortune 3 (might need turmoil 1 as well, not sure).
Knights in misfortune 2 IIRC.
Trolls in magical provinces.

I think you might have mixed up the first two. I have seen barbarian hordes, but never knights or trolls. Or maybe Knights don't attack provinces with high order?

TwoBits · #9 August 7th, 2007, 11:53 AM

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thejeff said:
Provinces can revolt?
Are you sure? I don't think I've ever seen it. And I've had provinces sit well over a 100 unrest for many turns.

I only remember this ever happening to me once, and I sort of forget the nature of the event (I don't think there was any battle, but I'm not sure). So, whatever the circumstances of it occurring, I believe it's exceptionally rare. Then again, I generally prefer to play with positive luck scales, and try to keep unrest under control as much as possible...

In any event, barbarian raids, vine-men attacks, vampire rebellions, heck, even Bogus and Co., etc., seem to be way more common.

Jazzepi · #10 August 7th, 2007, 10:29 AM

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Juzza said:
huh, I didn't know that about the good scales only taking effect in your own dominion, thanks Jazzepi, and hey, if turmoil increases the amount of barbians does order decrease the amount?

I'm not sure if order decreases the amount, but I do know that turmoil increases the amount.

Personally I almost *always* play with order 3 misfortune 2.

Jazzepi