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August 26th, 2007, 08:45 PM
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Re: WinSPMBT \"Das Reich\" (OOB MOD.)
~Update~
The Canadian and British OOBs have finally been spliced together. Early on there is a lot of US equipment and real world British equipment of the time is scarce. Later on however the "British Canadians" begin developing their own tanks, APCs and so forth. I am thinking of creating some extra Arctic formations and stripping the BOV series vehicles from the Europeans. I will have to cook up an arctic version of the S-Pz. 115 D (Reich APC) though. The arctic formations will be fully mechanised (BOVs a plenty) and they will have BOV support units too (SAM, ATGM, Recoilless Rifle, Mortar etc).
As for heavy tanks, well what do you guys think? Should the British Canadians have a dedicated Heavy Tank or should the Americans be the only ones to field Heavy Tanks (amongst the allies)?
The German OOBs (35 and 44) have undergone some recent changes too. The Leopard 1 class tanks now come in two varieties, Light and Medium. The original spec. is light, the new and improved up-armoured spec. is heavy. Late variants, from the 80s onwards will be fitted with a 110mm gun. The regular vehicles will be used by lighter and more mobile armoured formations, (paratroop support, light infantry, colonial infantry etc) and the bigger ones will be used by high end units, like the ISS (die Imperialische Schutzstaffel) the mechanised Jaeger (elite "Gross-Deutschland division like" heavy infantry) and other select units.
Development of a new fully integrated and air mobile combined arms unit is also in the cards. From the Late 60s onwards the Imperial Airmobile arm will be using haevy helicopters to transport light tanks and mechanised mortars alongside the infantry.
A new interim MBT, the Panther III (name subject to a change if required) has also been added in with an improved 105mm gun. It runs from 1950-1964 and looks a lot like the Hyaene (if anyone has seen it) only the chasis is longer and the turret a little more rudimentary. The Loewe II A has been erased from service.
The American Heavy tanks now run from 1946-2020 and are performing well. The early Soviet heavies have been bolstered by the JS 7 and some other vehicles are on the cards.
The German heavy tanks are facing one final set of alterations. The early Kaisertiger series was fitted with a 110mm gun instead of the 128mm. I think that as the Loewe class vehicles are meant to be the compromise vehicles, a compromise between the super heavies and the MBTs, then surely they should mount the 110mm gun. Any thoughts?
That's all, for the moment folks.
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November 5th, 2007, 12:29 AM
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Re: WinSPMBT \"Das Reich\" (OOB MOD.)
Just a little update. I am reworking the USA heavies, the earlier ones. Due to limited space I have moved the early heavies (40s) to the Green OOB. I re-worked the icons and I am re-working their guns. Problem is I can't figure out the correct figures from the info. Marksheppard gave me. I will need some advice folks.
Along with these alterations I also matched my USA and Soviet OOBs up with Plasmakrab's and I have begun work on the White Russian Revivalist OOB.
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November 5th, 2007, 04:21 PM
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Re: WinSPMBT \"Das Reich\" (OOB MOD.)
Ok, here are the re-worked US heavies. I am not sure about their in-game armour values so I will reproduce them here for comment.
T 29:
Hull Front: 15
Hull Sides: 6
Hull Rear: 5
Turret Front: 23
Turret Sides: 13
Turret Rear: 10
Top: 4
T 29E1:
Hull Front: 15
Hull Sides: 6
Hull Rear: 5
Turret Front: 23
Turret Sides: 14
Turret Rear: 10
Top: 4
T 30:
Hull Front: 15
Hull Sides: 6
Hull Rear: 5
Turret Front: 23
Turret Sides: 14
Turret Rear: 10
Top: 4
T 34:
Hull Front: 15
Hull Sides: 6
Hull Rear: 5
Turret Front: 21
Turret Sides: 13
Turret Rear: 10
Top: 4
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November 5th, 2007, 04:33 PM
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Re: WinSPMBT \"Das Reich\" (OOB MOD.)
Oh and as a little surprise, my version of a late 90s - 21st Century US Heavy Tank.
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November 6th, 2007, 02:47 PM
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Re: WinSPMBT \"Das Reich\" (OOB MOD.)
Here are the latest versions of my Aircraft icons. Some have been made smaller others have undergone minor cosmetic alterations.
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November 7th, 2007, 05:20 AM
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Re: WinSPMBT \"Das Reich\" (OOB MOD.)
Yay! 21st century Paladin heavy tank! 
How's this one supposed to go, OOB-wise?
And, er, do I have a wee bitty sense of déjà-vu in the chassis design? 
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November 7th, 2007, 03:17 PM
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Re: WinSPMBT \"Das Reich\" (OOB MOD.)
The Paladin originally looked a lot like the one out of C and C Generals, hence the name. I took a good, long hard look at it and decided to re-do everything as it was too fat on the bottom and too thin on the top.
The Turret was too thin so I fattened her up a bit. I thinned the gun down a bit and then began to experiment with extra weapon configurations (borrowed some of yours). The front part of the Hull is a reworked version of your Abrams and I borrowed the side armour off of your M11 series vehicle and changed the camo pattern and so on.
I took out the Block 3 series vehicles as they were too advanced for my time scale. In order to understand how the new armour works in te OOBs youfirst need to understand how the primary opponent's OOB works. The Imperial Armed Forces are that opponent and as they possess a good number of different tanks for different jobs it is necessary for others to broaden their selection too. It breaks down like this.
At the top we have the Super Heavy Tanks and their TD/Engineering variants. These vehicles play a supporting role (TD in defence and Heavy Tanks as the sharp end of any major armoured spearhead).
In between Super Heavy and MBT class tanks we have the Loewe Class of Heavy MBT (this vehicle is lighter than the other two classes of Heavy tank and is also faster and more highly engineered).
Then we have the MBTs which can either come in uparmoured or lighter forms (depending on the missions, climate, terrain etc). A series of dedicated TD and engineering variants exists for these weapons as well.
Right at the bottom we have the highly mobile Cavalry Tanks. They are used in an infantry support role or as a rapid responce armoured force.
In order to cope with this other nations, like the US and her allies, need a more developed force structure rather than the one size fits all approach embodied by the MBT.
For the USA it works like this:
Heavy tanks: From the T-29s to the Paladins. These weapons were developed to handle the Imperial heavies and work in conjunction with TD units and air support so as to maximise chances of a kill and in turn prevent being killed. During the 50s and right through to the 80s parity with the Germans is difficult to achieve but from the 40s-50s and the 80s-90s (and beyond) the heavy tanks of the USA are more than capable of handling the German heavies.
TD: (Under development) up armoured and mounting heavier guns than the medium tanks of the US.
Medium/MBT: Needs no explanation. Primary task is to deal with the enemies medium tanks/MBTs and to support the heavier armour when needed.
Light Tanks: Cavalry tanks designed for use alongside mobile infantry formations and as a rapid response armoured formation.
For the Soviet Union a similar force structure is in operation, the primary difference being that the Soviets do not lack heavy tanks comporable to those of the Germans.
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