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		What really killed the creation of new 4X games (and more classical strategy games) is the passion editors seem to have with 3D. You end up with games offering you very small maps, and most of the time repetitive strategies. 
 
What also is strange is the tendency to publish all games on the same period at the same time.(I can't play any WW2 games anymore, got totally disgusted...)( they did the same with greek mythology)(all that to say that, when they've got an idea(WHAW!!!), they use it to produce 10 to 20+ games on a period of 2+ years). 
 
3D doesn't favorise mods either.(and creating mod friendly games isn't the trend anymore). 
 
If anyone here is working in the marvellous game edition domain, I wanna say (as usual) I'm so sorry... 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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		Well, it's logical computer (un)evolution. 
Now you can have very nice graphics with cool 3D effects that are catching eyes of potentiale buyers. In the past, the relativly poor graphs were a good pretext to offer deep strategy games. Unfortunatly for us, like all industry, the game industry focus on what sells better. So only few editors take a risk to publish strategy games. And even them put more time and bucks on graphs that on deep of scenario or quality. 
 
So we have to count on fantastic teams like Illwinter that will coninue to do games we like. 
 
Personnaly I prefer amator games with relativly simple graphics like Dominions 3 that we can easly custm that  projects where you have to be almost a 3d designer with thousand dollars software needed to edit a simple unit. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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		I have to say the last year has been dire for strategy games. 
Fortunately, I have had Dom 3 to play during that time.
 
Other than GC2, Dom3 and Civ4 expansions what else has there been?
 
Can anyone name any good strategy games released in the last year that I may have missed due to my immersion in Dom 3?    
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
		
		
	
	
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I have to say the last year has been dire for strategy games. 
 
Fortunately, I have had Dom 3 to play during that time. 
 
Other than GC2, Dom3 and Civ4 expansions what else has there been? 
 
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		It's essentially the same game with different graphics. More like a patch than a new game. It didn't add any new content. It feels wrong to call it a new game. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
		
		
	
	
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		Bugs - and i'd say some of them are still not fixed. But mainly because it's a big stepback comparing to SE4 in terms of required micromanagement and user interface useability, without anything really improved over it. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
		
		
	
	
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