LA marignon guide

[KissBlade]

Demon Jesters used to be awesome in Dom II. Why are they considered so crappy now? Assuming it's the changes to the VQ?

[thejeff]

Demon Jesters were trash in Dom2 as well. It's not so much that they're bad (for the cost), it's that they're weak, cheap units, but you can only summon them one at a time.

Generally better to leave those mages blood hunting or researching and summon more expensive, but better demons.

No idea what VQ changes would have to do with them.

[Humakty]

I think that if you are to use flagellants, you'd better go F/B, to death curse ennemies, which is usefull as they die massively.
I think it is Sombre's idea

[Sombre]

Humakty said:
I think that if you are to use flagellants, you'd better go F/B, to death curse ennemies, which is usefull as they die massively.
I think it is Sombre's idea

Whoah there. That's a strategy I used once for Ulm Reborn and their penitent. Ulm Reborn gets penitent in greater numbers than Marig can ever hope to get flaggies. I've actually posted a few times before about how bad an idea I think it is to use flaggies with a tailor made bless. They just aren't very good sacreds - especially if you're taking blood bless to go with them - that death curse is nice in theory, but in reality it does pretty much nothing.

[llamabeast]

I am doing very nicely in Marmoset with a penitent-based strategy. They are basically all I have. And mine are only S9E9F4, with the E9 doing the penitents almost no good at all (I took that for the heavily armoured sacreds, who are almost invincible with it).

However, it must be said that one of the main reasons they are so good is their vast numbers and freeness, which don't apply so much to flagellants. Still, I do think Marignon can probably do pretty well with S9F9 flagellants.

[Humakty]

Sombre said:

Whoah there. That's a strategy I used once for Ulm Reborn and their penitent. Ulm Reborn gets penitent in greater numbers than Marig can ever hope to get flaggies. I've actually posted a few times before about how bad an idea I think it is to use flaggies with a tailor made bless. They just aren't very good sacreds - especially if you're taking blood bless to go with them - that death curse is nice in theory, but in reality it does pretty much nothing.

I wouldn't do it(reading their stats made me sweat the first time), but as EH says it can be relatively efficient, I thought about this idea (+5 strength is nice with +5 attack), and, as it was not mine (I haven't tested it), I aknowledged my sources.
So sorry if you was disturbed by my petty chatting.

[Gregstrom]

I don't know that F9B9 isn't overkill. With all those attacks the flaggys shouldn't need the high attack value, and if they have AP damage from F9, why get the extra strength from Blood?

[llamabeast]

I think F9S9 is much more efficient than F9B9 personally.