Grossly, insanely different PD strengths

[Lord_Bob]

Actually, my full statement is now that Patala, Bandar Log, and Kailasa can NEVER EVER WIN in a non-rush game.

It's supported by the MP results at the top of the Multi-Player forum.

[sum1lost]

By this argument, Tir, Man, Eriu, caelum, machaka, and EA MICTLAN are weak nations. Somehow, I don't think that they are all that weak.

Tip:

When using data like this for evidence, it helps if you have a sample size larger than the possible results.

[Zylithan]

well, EA mictlan has awesome PD above 20. I guess that's a little extreme, but I'm just saying... you get a (usually) double blessed jaguar warrior every point.

below 20 i reckon not so impressive though

[Lord_Bob]

Are you actually claiming 20 Archers and a Commander can defeat a Man PD of 20 without casualities?

I'm sorry, your just gabbering now, and I can't take it seriously. When I took over a hopelessly bungled MA Man in some massive game, EA Ermor tried to waste me TWICE with armies of over 400 men. He has lost over 200 men and 6 mages. All to 65 PD and my research mages backed by 90 longbowman. Now 65 PD is quite high, but we aren't talking about 20 archers and a commander either. We are talking about 400 high quality soldiers and more than 6 mages assisting. That is an ARMY.

[thejeff]

Lord_Bob said:
Are you actually claiming 20 Archers and a Commander can defeat a Man PD of 20 without casualities?

No. Different claim.

None of those nations has won any of the MP games listed in the MP forum post you're using as evidence.

Nor has any age of Atlantis or Arcosephale.

[Wikd Thots]

The PD is not supposed to be balanced. Each nation has good and bad, and for some of them thats their PD

[OmikronWarrior]

In general, its understood that PD is going to be different levels for different players. Honestly, I think EA Neifleheim has it even worse. The "leveler", if you will, is that no nation's PD can stop an actual army except by extreme inefficiency in its application. The trick is to keep your own armies behind enemy lines and quickly take back raided provinces while patrolling choke and border points to catch incoming raiders. If you really feel this is to great a burden, then play a different nation. It really is that simple.

[Lord_Bob]

In general, its understood that PD is going to be different levels for different players. Honestly, I think EA Neifleheim has it even worse. The "leveler", if you will, is that no nation's PD can stop an actual army except by extreme inefficiency in its application. The trick is to keep your own armies behind enemy lines and quickly take back raided provinces while patrolling choke and border points to catch incoming raiders. If you really feel this is to great a burden, then play a different nation. It really is that simple.

EA Neifleheim gets a Jarl at 20. So I certainly hope you are joking. You are joking, right?

[OmikronWarrior]

A Jotun Jarl, not a Neifleheim Jarl, and 10 militias with poor protection, attack, defense, and morale. 20 PD for 10 units that really aren't all that better than human militia. A competent raiding force will route the militia and the jarl with it before he can be the least bit effective.

[Valandil]

You are missinterpeting, hopefully in ignorance, that argument. Those nations have not yet won an MP game, hence invalidating your 'appeal to statistics' contention. As thejeff has already stated:
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Lord_Bob said:
Are you actually claiming 20 Archers and a Commander can defeat a Man PD of 20 without casualities?
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No. Different claim.

None of those nations has won any of the MP games listed in the MP forum post you're using as evidence.

Nor has any age of Atlantis or Arcosephale."