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November 29th, 2007, 04:04 PM
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First Lieutenant
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Re: What is abusive ?
If the game allows it, its not abusive; otherwise the Devs would code it out.
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November 29th, 2007, 04:12 PM
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Re: What is abusive ?
That confuses intention with execution.
At the very least, exploiting acknowledged but not yet squished bugs must be considered abusive.
At a second level, exploiting things like the Bogus copy command should be considered abusive because it is an undesired side effect to a desired feature that may just be too cumbersome to track down and rewrite. (Unless of course we hear from the devs that charming Bogus is supposed to net you a combat trainer who introduces new secret strategies in addition to his own bad self...)
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November 29th, 2007, 05:04 PM
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General
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Re: What is abusive ?
It also ignores bugs they haven't been able to track down.
And any house rules for a particular game should be honored, even if the game doesn't/can't enforce them.
I think the default, if informal, house rule for games on this forum includes "don't exploit bugs on the bug list"
There are also metagame abuse issues that can't be addressed by the mechanics. Host setting up a map to favor himself. Secret pre-game deals. Playing 2 position in a game. etc, etc.
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November 29th, 2007, 12:02 PM
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BANNED USER
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Re: What is abusive ?
Really, archer decoys aren't even beginning to exploit the combat "AI". There are some many, much worse, things that can be done, that archer decoys, well know, really aren't that bad.
For example:
Send in a few fliers and every unit guarding your archers comes unglued and rushes the fliers. Especially if they are "mounted fliers" so even "Attack Calvary" or "Fire Calvary" will have all your guys shooting your own archers, or fleeing their positions.
There are many others, the experienced players just don't want to give up their tricks. So like me, you are just going to "get to experience" these problems.
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November 29th, 2007, 12:08 PM
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Re: What is abusive ?
You can use light infantry without resorting to archer decoy tactics. Just put them behind your shielded infantry units. I have no problem with people placing units around, I just think it's retarded when they're putting 'groups' of 1,2 or 3 random dudes scattered around. I know I won't do it and if they want to that's their bag, I can't be bothered to micro against stuff like that so they'll probably have an advantage. Yay for them. I hope my opponents don't do things like that, but I can't blame them for doing it. It won't work for [censored] against someone equally willing to micro though.
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November 29th, 2007, 01:53 PM
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Re: What is abusive ?
The archer decoy, um, "exploit" was a much worse problem in Dom2, which had a different morale and targeting system. I don't see a problem with any of the issues Twan brought up. People use decoys, cannon fodder, and feint attacks in real war all the time. And Lord_Bob, I'd much rather have my infantry taking out fliers that are harassing my archers than let the archers deal with it with their daggers. Fliers have a hard enough time already in tactical combat; don't take away their best use.
Taking advantage of a real bug is not cool in my opinion, however.
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