Sons of Kaleva, a Kalevala mod

[DrPraetorious]

Let's assume mid-era, as there are a lot of late-era mods already. Don't the Finns have something of a reputation as sorcerers among their neighbors, Kelavala aside?

I'd drop the Vaetti, or make everyone Vaetti.

This is my suggestion for magic paths and special powers.

Witch (everywhere) - EN,{FWE,75%}{FWN,75%},healer 20%,prevent bad events 10%
Spellsinger (everywhere) - F2N2,{FEDN,100%}{FEDN,10%}
Shaman (capital only) - Sacred, turns into a Bear, maybe even a werebear (thugable), E2N2,{FWEN,10%}
Sorcerer (capital only) - D2WFN,{FWDN,100%},{FWDN,10%}

Another option would be to convert some of those heroes into commanders - so the witches could have air magic and *all* turn into giant eagles; the sorcerers could all have forge bonuses.

I sure hope they add more nation slots

[Endoperez]

I made graphics for Hiisi already, so I'm not going to drop them straight away. They'll be goblins, like vaetti and bakemono, but instead of wolves they've befriended moose. They provide the nation cheap stealthy archers and stealthy cavalry. Moose Brothers have one spearmen and one archer mounted on a moose, and after the first 8 damage the archer dies but the spearman stays.

I think I'll go with something like this:

Sorcerer (hiisi) - {FWD 100%}{FDN 100%}, prevent bad events 10%
Wiseman (everywhere) - F1N2,{FEDN,100%}{FEDN,10%}
Bear Tribe Shaman (everywhere) - H1 N2, {E, 50%}{E, 50%}
Spellsinger (capital only) - F2N2, {FWDN,100%},{FWDN,100%},{FWDN,10%}


Also, I'm aiming to make this mod completely replace EA Ulm, slot and all. Someone has to try if it works, eh?

[DrPraetorious]

If they're going to be EA, they should get a *lot* more magic than that.

Let's compare to EA Ermor. EA Ermor, which is pretty balanced, gets a nice military and:
F2SD2{FSNA,110%} on the augur elder
F{FAWEN,100%} on the Flamen

That's F3A1W1E1S2D3N1.

[Endoperez]

They're going to be in MA. I just use up nation slot 2 (EA Ulm) instead of one of the free nation slots, and EA Ulm nametype slots (131, 132) for the heroes.

Unit roster ATM:
Hiisi (stealthy goblin archer)
Moose Brother (stealthy moose infantry/archer)
Bear Tribe Warriors (light infantry)
Huskarls (med. infantry with javelins)
Huntsman (med. infantry with axe, crossbow, shield)
Hakkapelite (light cavalry with broad sword, lance, good def)

possibile additions:
Bear Cult Warrior (med. infantry with battleaxe, perhaps with berserk/sacred/something)




mages:
Same as few posts ago, except for:
Spellsinger (capital only) - F2D1N2, 210%FWDN; they are also somewhat older, and sometimes start with old age (esp. if they got fire randoms)

possible addition:
Myrrysmies (Storm Zealot?) - low-level Nature/Fire/Water mage with good prot, berserker+5, perhaps fire resistance

Here is a Finnish-only wikipedia article about them. Basically, mages who go to a berserk-like trance when doing magic, exorcising spirits with an axe and able to handle weapons from their blades without harming themselves.
http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intomies


Also, I realised that Näkki will make very good thugs. 19 gems for amphibian size 4, 27 hp, prot 6 Water/Death/Earth mage with full equipment slots. They have W2 and three WDE randoms, so can get up to W5, and will have at least W3 or two paths at level 2.

[Edi]

Storm zealot would be a poor translation of myrrysmies. Better to leave it without one, as that term just doesn't translate correctly. English doesn't have the proper words for it without wrecking the meaning. Or you could leave it at myrrysman

[Endoperez]

Zeal is very good translation of "into" of intomies, IMO. "Storm Zealot" isn't good translation of myrrysmies, though. I think I'll go with Myrrysmage or something similar.

The warrior type under consideration (currently named Bear Zealots) are a difficult choice. On the other hand, if I make them sacred they're too similar to EA Ulm Steel Warriors and MA Man Wardens. Especially if I give them two-handed swords. However, there aren't that many two-handed weapons, and giving them two weapons would step on Einhere's toes.
At the moment, the unit is 20 gp, Einhere stats, worse equipment and dies very fast to any kind of missile fire.

[Burnsaber]

I feel kinda silly for posting this same suggestion twice, but have you considered implementing Sampo in any way?

I threw some ideas around in the orginal thread. Sampo would be a kinky unit in the way there really aren't units in Dom3 that are pure support.

It could giving massive supplybonus (the salt and flour grinding). It was also decipted as a bringer of good fortune, so perhaps very nice fortune teller (75? or perhaps even 100!). The grinding of money is a bit tough, since you can't make troops produce gold. The closest interpetation would most likely be to make it produce gems (Fire gems or perhaps 1 of each kind?).

The problem is, that a unit that just sits in your capital isn't really that intresting. Perhaps it could be carried by some handlers so that it can move? A unit that makes sure that your troops don't starve, supplies your mages with gems and protects it from unlucky events could be usefull. When #onebattlespell becomes available, it could perhaps cast a good battlefield buff to encourage using it alongside armies (something like Fanatism?)

The path combination could perhaps be twiddled so that it would most likely be only "summonable" by Ilmarinen or a pretender with the right paths.