OT: Gravity, Dark Energy, Universal expansion

[Randallw]

Might not the expansion be exponential (excuse me if I use the wrong word). The edge (14 Billion ly away maybe) might expand 20% but when something is only 8.6 ly away the distance moved might be inconsequential.

in fact since matter can not be created, unless there is a connection to another dimension, then the universe may expand but it has the same amount of matter, therefore imagine a distance written on a balloon. the edge expands but the distance expands at the same rate. to an outside observer it has grown but to something limited to the balloon it is the same distance.

[Suicide Junkie]

Except that the folks living on the balloon aren't expanding since they are held together by gravity, electromagnetism, and nuclear forces.

Light will take longer and longer to get from each of your distance marks to the next, making it obvious that they are stretching.

[Randallw]

I was sort of thinking of that epsiode of Futurama where the universe is in a box. Fry sits on the box and the universe is squashed, but since they are in the universe they don't notice. Only us outside observers. Probably a mistake to consider Futurama scientific fact . After all they increased the speed of light.

"That's impossible"
"nothing's impossible. Not if you can imagine it. That's what being a scientist is all about"
"No, that's what being a magical elf is all about"

[narf poit chez BOOM]

Randallw said:
I was sort of thinking of that epsiode of Futurama where the universe is in a box. Fry sits on the box and the universe is squashed, but since they are in the universe they don't notice. Only us outside observers. Probably a mistake to consider Futurama scientific fact . After all they increased the speed of light.

"That's impossible"
"nothing's impossible. Not if you can imagine it. That's what being a scientist is all about"
"No, that's what being a magical elf is all about"

Yeah, so?

[capnq]

Randallw said: in fact since matter can not be created

Given enough energy, matter & antimatter can be created by pair production.

[Randallw]

I see. of course I should have said energy cannot be created or destroyed. my mistake.

[Gozra]

Just Finished scanning this topic. Gravity is nothing, black holes are mathematical expressions of Newtonian physics. The reality is we have an electric universe that easily explains what we are seeing. The next time you see that Scientist are "surprised" at what they find in outer space please question in your mind if our current theory is correct why are they surprised? The electric universe easily explains what we are seeing and how things work.Try to think past Newton and realize that Gravity is really weak.

http://www.thesurfaceofthesun.com/

http://www.mikamar.biz/book-info/tes-a.htm

[MasterChiToes]

Gozra said:
Just Finished scanning this topic. Gravity is nothing, black holes are mathematical expressions of Newtonian physics. The reality is we have an electric universe that easily explains what we are seeing. The next time you see that Scientist are "surprised" at what they find in outer space please question in your mind if our current theory is correct why are they surprised? The electric universe easily explains what we are seeing and how things work.Try to think past Newton and realize that Gravity is really weak.

http://www.thesurfaceofthesun.com/

http://www.mikamar.biz/book-info/tes-a.htm

I haven't read these, but generally the problem with an EM structure is propagation speed of EM forces being c, creating a lag that doesn't correspond to observation.

[Raapys]

I thought they'd just about concluded that even gravity was limited to c?

[MasterChiToes]

Unless a lot of old observations were way off... objects appear attracted to about where the mass is, not where it was d/c ago.