TI what is it good for?

[Marcello]

Marcello, if you wouldn't mind sharing your exploits agaisnt the US this would be exellent, the BEST I can do agaisnt U.S. Army with Iraq is a marginal defeat! thats the BEST, I suck X-D. I would love to learn from your expeirence. Thanks

It isn't really that difficult, I am a mediocre player really (what I actually do most of the time is using mobhack and testing what I have created in shooting range style scenarios). The key is employing the terrain in such a way as to have the americans driving past your positions and then getting them with flank and rear shots by T-72s. Typically this means a reverse slope defense where the tanks are hugging the base of the ridge or others available reliefs, hidden inside their irregularities as to eliminate (to the extent this is possible) frontal fire arcs, retaining only narrow side fire arcs and large rears ones. This ensures that when the Abrams charge beyond the ridge top at least a few T-72s can survive to get flank and rear shots.
This is of course possible under SPMBT near laboratory conditions. In real life an iraqi commander who had been ordered to deploy on an essentially flat terrain, who could expect the enemy coming from several directions, had little idea of the exact US tactical capabilities and faced an US commander usually smarter than your run of the mill videogame AI was in a rather uglier predicament.

[Marek_Tucan]

And mind you, Iraq-US scenarios are about the worst situation you can get into. Get into mid-European typical terrain with hills, forests, villages and towns and you get major boost of non-TI forces as it is much easier to hide even from TI. Under correct circumstances even lowly T-55 can ambush Abrams with fatal results.

[DRG]

Actually this IS about the worse " worse case sceanrio" I can think of. A newbie playing as the Iraqi's in the desert against the Americans.

No..... I stand corrected, you could have the map visibility set to 5 for a night battle. That would be worse.

Maybe a nice "balkans" battle in the 1960s might make a better game at this stage for you?

Don

[Ramm]

DRG that sounds like an exellent suggestion, Do you have any particular countries in mind?

[pdoktar]

If you want taks and TI and a nice fight try for example germany vs. UK in 1980->2020 range. Although somewhat ahistorical (who cares..?), countries are pretty evenly matched and both have lot of high-tech equipment and good tanks against each other. If TI bothers you, try some latin american or african countries and before 1990.

[Mobhack]

Not "ahistorical" since the NATO forces (and others) played exercises against each other. Just think of the casualties as being adjudicated by the umpires (DS staff, white hats) and/or MILES type laser gear.

I can recall being chased across Salisbury Plain by some "enemy" chieftains (with a DS staff landy following), when we were returning from a bn O group. They were heading into a hide area for one of our platoons, this resulted in Jocks popping up all over the place and indicating their presence, so as not to be run over!. 1/51 were on one side, the UK School of Armour cadre and some West German territorial paras were in the OPFOR. "A" company (us) inherited a lone ferret scout car we found out on weekend exercise from some TA Yeomanry unit. (Ferret scout car capacity, one officer cadet liaison orificer (moi), perched on the back deck, which was nice and warm on a cold night!). And I remember when the Germans were dropped, the exercise being temporarily put on hold with several "no duff" radio calls over the net for the medics to go deal with casualty calls on the paras..

Cheers
Andy

[Ramm]

Ty DRG, Mobhack, Marek for the quick response, I usually don't get this level of service even If I had to pay for it! I look foward to using Yugo vs Yugo on an "exercise" in the 1960's with heavy armour contrensation. Also I will give 183 a look. I suppose with a sad heart this thread is at an end unless anyone else has some comments on TI.

Again thanks!

[RecruitMonty]

1st Question: Yes. Nothing quite like brewing up a whole load of Soviet or Warsaw Pact tanks. That will teach them to cross the border without a permit.

2nd Question: Positively. Of course the side with TI is going to have an advantage that is what it is for. It also costs a pretty penny.

3rd Question: Hmm... Yes and? I play the scenarios from time to time but it has to be said I am busy moding things and testing changes.

[DRG]

Ramm said:
DRG that sounds like an exellent suggestion, Do you have any particular countries in mind?

Try Yugoslavia against Yugoslavia in 1969.

There are a number of good maps that appear for Yugoslavia but if you want something interesting try pressing "View Map" then press the upper right hand button and enter 183

Don

[Marek_Tucan]

Ramm said:
DRG that sounds like an exellent suggestion, Do you have any particular countries in mind?

Now drifting off the Balcans, but good matches might be found in Mid Europe as well - for example during the Cold War, Czechoslovakia vs. Poland or Hungary means almost the same kit for both sides, with enough difference in unit names to not get confused And Map Generator (pbuh) will get you most of times good terrain.

I'd slao recommend starting with smaller battles (both smaller maps than standard and less points), slowly expanding forcesas well as territory.