New Russian OOB (or SPR OOB)

KraMax · #1 February 20th, 2008, 01:13 PM

Warhero · #2 February 20th, 2008, 01:53 PM

^Do I have to d/l all those picklists just for Russian oob??? Why?

KraMax · #3 February 20th, 2008, 01:58 PM

We have made PICKLIST for our OOB which we offer developers of game and developers OOBs to take for a basis in the workings out.
If you do not use our OOB - then you do not need to download these files.
These files are necessary that AI could buy correctly armies for game with you.

Warhero · #4 February 20th, 2008, 03:42 PM

I thought that WinMBT has only 1 picklist/nation/oob... So, if play as Russian (I mean with your oob), I must d/l all of picklists above, ok? Are they meant to describe different eras (50's, 60's, 70's, 80's etc. timelines)?

KraMax · #5 February 21st, 2008, 12:20 AM

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Warhero said:
I thought that WinMBT has only 1 picklist/nation/oob... So, if play as Russian (I mean with your oob), I must d/l all of picklists above, ok? Are they meant to describe different eras (50's, 60's, 70's, 80's etc. timelines)?

Yes.

Mobhack · #6 February 20th, 2008, 07:56 PM

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KraMax said:
We have made PICKLIST for our OOB which we offer developers of game and developers OOBs to take for a basis in the workings out.
If you do not use our OOB - then you do not need to download these files.
These files are necessary that AI could buy correctly armies for game with you.

I do hope that in your end user support documentation (on your website or as part of the download?), you have shown the end users how to back up and restore the default AI pick list, for whenever they need to revert to the default OOB. Also, how to handle what happens on a game patch update (which will assume the default AI pick list file set, if changes are needed).

As AI pick list editing is not a supported game functionality - it is for hackers only - any support for issues arising with your mod is all up to you.

Any end users who have applied your new pick files, without taking a backup of the requisite default files - their game is likely now toast, should they ever have a need to restore the default OOB (e.g to play the stock scenarios or campaigns)

Cheers
Andy

KraMax · #7 February 21st, 2008, 12:33 AM

Mobhack
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For our OOB I have established to myself on the computer one more copy of game.
Certainly, if people do not wish to establish to themselves in the computer one more copy of game they need to save preliminary old files that then they could be restored.

We do our OOB with a view of to show true in organizational structure of our armies, in technical characteristics of our technics, etc. We do not consider our OOB as MOD for game WinSPMBT. Therefore we do not supply our OOB with the documentation, etc. As we already wrote in the first post of this subject, we call you - developers and of other founders and designers MOD for your game - to pay attention to our OOB and to use it as a base variant for game.

I already a lot of time tried to discuss with visitors of this forum our OOB. On any our changes at us is links and proofs of our correctness. In our OOB we already discussed some details with the developer - DRG and other visitors and designers of this forum.

DRG · #8 February 21st, 2008, 12:31 PM

You may not consider your "OOB as MOD for game WinSPMBT" but WE DO. If you modify the game data outside of an offical release IT'S A MOD.

IT THAT FULLY UNDERSTOOD?
You and your "mod" of this OOB are guests here. Please try and remember that.

I have explained to you that your reorganization of the OOB's units, formations and weapons will cause every scenario to fail that uses the Russian OOB in any way and for experienced players who use your OOB this is not a problem as we have built mechanisms into the game that allow players the ability to re-install the default game OOB's and / or any custom OOB's but picklists are entirely different and it is YOUR responsibility to ensure that everyone using your OOB's and picklists understands that.

This is a warning to anyone using this OOB and these new picklists or ANY third party OOB's or picklists

First and formost. Neither Andy nor I nor Shrapnel games officially supports this . If anyone runs into trouble using these modified OOB's ond/or picklists, or ANY modification of the game OOB's or picklists, that does not come directly from us, the game designers, you are on your own.

If you install this modified Russian OOB into your game EVERY scenario pre-existing in the game that uses the Russian OOB IN ANY WAY, will fail to play properly.

If you install these modified picklists and then decide to stick with the original game OOB's you MUST re-install the original picklists issued with the game for the AI to pick Russian forces correctly. This applies to this OOB or any other modification of the game OOB's or picklists that may exist for download on this or any other forum

It would be a very good idea for anyone issuing modified picklist to include the original ones in a subfolder so players can switch back and forth without having to track down every file they need.

Don

Mobhack · #9 February 21st, 2008, 01:05 PM

Also, any persons who want to apply any future official patches to the game and not get things messed up, need to remember to restore the game that they are about to patch to the official AI pick list standard before applying the patch update.

Any AI pick list changes may only be a partial file-set update. This would likely cause "interesting" side effects, should you have third party AI picks in place, so restore the AI picks to standard before any patch is applied.

Also - any backup AI pick set for that OOB, whether taken by yourself, or in a zip provided by the third party, may well now be invalid since new files were issued inside the patch. This issue is up to the third-party AI pick list supplier to resolve, not us.

There should be no problems with third party modified OOBS which have no AI pick list changes and respect the original formation dates and types. The OOB swapper can be used for these just fine as described in the Game Guide to restore the official OOB before you play any stock scenarios, for example.

Cheers
Andy

KraMax · #10 February 21st, 2008, 01:23 PM

Quote:

DRG said:
You may not consider your "OOB as MOD for game WinSPMBT" but WE DO. If you modify the game data outside of an offical release IT'S A MOD.

IT THAT FULLY UNDERSTOOD?
You and your "mod" of this OOB are guests here. Please try and remember that.

I have explained to you that your reorganization of the OOB's units, formations and weapons will cause every scenario to fail that uses the Russian OOB in any way and for experienced players who use your OOB this is not a problem as we have built mechanisms into the game that allow players the ability to re-install the default game OOB's and / or any custom OOB's but picklists are entirely different and it is YOUR responsibility to ensure that everyone using your OOB's and picklists understands that.

This is a warning to anyone using this OOB and these new picklists or ANY third party OOB's or picklists

First and formost. Neither Andy nor I nor Shrapnel games officially supports this . If anyone runs into trouble using these modified OOB's ond/or picklists, or ANY modification of the game OOB's or picklists, that does not come directly from us, the game designers, you are on your own.

If you install this modified Russian OOB into your game EVERY scenario pre-existing in the game that uses the Russian OOB IN ANY WAY, will fail to play properly.

If you install these modified picklists and then decide to stick with the original game OOB's you MUST re-install the original picklists issued with the game for the AI to pick Russian forces correctly. This applies to this OOB or any other modification of the game OOB's or picklists that may exist for download on this or any other forum

It would be a very good idea for anyone issuing modified picklist to include the original ones in a subfolder so players can switch back and forth without having to track down every file they need.

Don

I all it understand.
Thanx.