Scales/bless changes you would like

Endoperez · #1 March 1st, 2008, 03:23 PM

Exactly - Air Shield and mirror image combine to make something that should be pretty much like the old Mirror Image, AND it works well for the Heims. But if the Vans have Air 9, they don't have F9W9. F9A9 or W9A9 couldn't be worse that that, could they?

calmon · #2 March 1st, 2008, 03:53 PM

Air 9 giving mirror image is pretty useless for all glamour sacreds.

B0rsuk · #3 March 1st, 2008, 04:29 PM

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calmon said:
Air 9 giving mirror image is pretty useless for all glamour sacreds.

RIght !!!1 No bless should exist unless it can make Vans stronger !

Edi · #4 March 1st, 2008, 05:21 PM

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calmon said:
Air 9 giving mirror image is pretty useless for all glamour sacreds.

Let's see: Nations that have glamour sacreds are Vanheim (3 eras), Helheim, Tir na n'Og, Eriu. That's a whopping 6 nations out of 70 where Air bless won't give synergistic bonuses out of the bless effect, whereas now it's so weak that 0 out of those 70 are using it. If your post is an objection to changing shockres to mirror image, it's ridiculous beyond belief, especially since the glamour sacreds are already some of the best sacred units around.

B0rsuk · #5 March 1st, 2008, 05:27 PM

I think that mirror image on sacreds could be just too good in some cases, especially on numerous sacreds. Not only all sacred mages and priests would gain mirror image, but every single flagellant or jaguar warrior. And... wait a second. It could be just impossible to render. Imagine an army of 20 Jaguar Warriors. Even if each of them has only 4 fake images, it's 100 sprites to draw, or 5x more. Now 100 jaguar warriors....One thing for sure - it would look very, very ugly.

calmon · #6 March 1st, 2008, 05:31 PM

It was just an answer to endo, he wrote A9 as an option for Vans:

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Endoperez said:
Exactly - Air Shield and mirror image combine to make something that should be pretty much like the old Mirror Image, AND it works well for the Heims. But if the Vans have Air 9, they don't have F9W9. F9A9 or W9A9 couldn't be worse that that, could they?

Air 9 giving mirror image is pretty useless for all glamour sacreds.

Edi · #7 March 1st, 2008, 06:06 PM

Calmon, okay. It just came out a little terse, the way you said it. No harm

B0rsuk, we're talking one mirror image per sacred (such as glamour units already have) and having A9 would have to be a tradeoff with one of the other good blesses. So unless you want to have really sucky scales, no way you get that A9F9W9 bless. I could see A9/F9 and A9/W9 being viable combos, A9/D9 on some pretenders with a suitable chassis. So some of those would perhaps be tough, but many of them also don't have that great a defense, so the mirror image will go down more easily than from the Vans, een if you can't so easily use mass archers against it due to the air shield synergy.

Endoperez · #8 March 1st, 2008, 06:23 PM

Mirror Image gives a set amount of those images, and I thought the bless would give one more. It wouldn't be quite as huge jump in power as it would usually be, but as it'd make the mirror image last for one hit longer I thought it could improve the units' survivability. They're already very good at not dying, so it could be good.

Twan · #9 March 2nd, 2008, 12:14 PM

Mirror image as the level 9 air bless may even be usefull for glamour sacred if it's +1 mirror image, meaning ennemies have only 33% to hit the real unit in melee. But with the air shield in addition, air bless can become too powerful (like glamour units continue to be when arrow fend counters the glamour nerf).

I would prefer fly as an air bless (more original than one more offensive or defensive bonus, and making slow heavy sacred better candidates for a bless strat -living pillars or heart companion jumping in round 2 with attack:archers would be fun).

Endoperez · #10 March 2nd, 2008, 12:26 PM

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Twan said:I would prefer fly as an air bless (more original than one more offensive or defensive bonus, and making slow heavy sacred better candidates for a bless strat -living pillars or heart companion jumping in round 2 with attack:archers would be fun).

I thought the fact that you Air 9 would replace some other bless, and Edi seems to agree with me on his answer to b0rsuk. Any way, as for your suggestion - it can be tested easily enough, thanks to Eagle Warriors ability. Just give them hoplite armor and replace Heart Companions with Eagle Warriors.

It is also possible to make a variation of bless that uses #nextspell "Mirror Image". I think it only gives one image at air 1, so it could be used to simulate the air bless I suggested. I don't know if it stacks with inherent glamour, though.

Glamour's "enemies can't see you" effect would be nice, but unfortunately out-of-combat blesses are impossible with the current system.