Re -M84
I think the M-84 was put in as a captured piece but it does appear the dates were wrong . This frequently occurs because the info the OOB designers had at the time was not as clear as it is 5 or 6 years later and the OOB designer is no longer available to ask where the source of this info can be found
From you we discover "A small number were captured by Iraq" but not if they were used by the Iraqis so there's a 50/50 chance whatever decision is made about them will be wrong or that new info won't be found three years from now reversing that decision. For now I have renationalized them so they will not show up as a pick. When/if I get more info or find the time to comb through every scenario that might use them I will decide what further steps might be warranted
Re-Al-Majnoon arty
This complaint also ties in with the Al-Fao FG
( weapon 113---- Unit users of weapon ID 113 210mm Al-Fao FG:
098 - 210mm AF FG : 1 - Available 01/085 to 04/103
182 - 210mm A-F Pl : 1 - Available 01/095 to 04/103
182 - 210mm A-F Pl : 2 - Available 01/095 to 04/103
182 - 210mm A-F Pl : 3 - Available 01/095 to 04/103
360 - Al Faw-210 : 1 - Available 01/095 to 04/103
If looks like they were put in becasue the info at hand either suggested they were in service or were likely in service. Strangely enough hard info on what the Iraqis did or didn't actually have in service was difficult to pin down until the country was overrun. "Wikipedia" which I will not trust without back up sources is more than just a BIT vague.."it does not appear to have entered into Iraqi service and none were captured during the 1991 Gulf War; the programme was probably cancelled thereafter" ........... "does not APPEAR"....... " was PROBABLY" cancelled. Not exactly inspiring wording is it ? And none of that info was available when the OOB was written. However, there ARE problems with these weapons even if they DID make it to service. The "Al-Maj Minelets" were never set up properly as minelets but as cluster instead. Odd nobody noticed for 5 years. I can only guess at the reason for that.
However, sources like
http://www.faoa.org/journal/iraq9910.html say.......
"In June 1988, the Iraqis signed an agreement with Dr. Gerald Bull's 'company Space Research Corporation to design and build two prototypes of the South African G-6 self-propelled howitzer. The result of this agreement is the Al-Majnoon a 155 mm howitzer and the Al-Faw, a 210-mm gun both with enhanced ammunition and a range of 40 kilometers. . "
Which seems to suggest this was developed.... Yes ? That was written in 1999 so there one source that suggests it did exist after all even though the wording does not give a lot of detail and that's the type of info we had to work with when the OOB was written. If you have something that catigorically states these things never got beyond the design stage please do share
I'll put this on the list and decide what to do when I have more information.
Don
Re: Iraq errors report
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