Tartanians

[RonD]

Those old dead gods sure are insidious, corrupting bastards, aren't they?

[Kristoffer O]

Sure are

I've thought about adding a special kind of insanity for them that is incurable.

[Dedas]

More insanity is needed in this game!

[NTJedi]

Kristoffer O said:
Maybe undead shouldn't be healable at all.

Currently tartarians during late game is what I see in high usage during MP games and SP games. Perhaps make a change where it's more difficult for undead to heal, thus fewer complaints about changing their healing status.
One other change should be vampires receiving recuperation which matches their history as well.

Kristoffer O said:
Sure are

I've thought about adding a special kind of insanity for them that is incurable.

That's another good idea, if these are undead pretenders from long ago then it makes sense they may retain some memories.

[Twan]

That's another good idea, if these are undead pretenders from long ago then it makes sense they may retain some memories.

Random event : your tartarian claim godhood. He succeeded to convince your army to worship him and now use the province Hubbarton(124) as his capitol.

(add a random nation run by an impossible AI in 124, with your troops there as starting army and the tartarian as pretender)

[lch]

NTJedi said:
One other change should be vampires receiving recuperation which matches their history as well.

Aren't vampires immortal? Then theyll recover from afflictions anyway.

[Xietor]

-> If you think that.. invest in getting GoH or the Chalice.. noone is stopping you

--> GoH can be dispelled, or you could cast it

--> Chalice could be wished for

I am aware of that. What you may not be aware of is that all races are not created equal with respect to getting the chalice or goh, or wishing. (and in every mp game i have played i have had 1 or the other at one point in the game).
But it does limit the choice of races I will play in mp.

It would help balance the races that get no astral magic, like say Ulm or Vanheim, to be competitive in the end game,
when they are facing races that can already wish every turn with their clams if the chalice and goh did not heal undead.

It is adding insult to injury that the s races can wish for the chalice, and pretty much exclude any race like Ulm from ever touching it. Add to it that the chalice/goh make the best endgame units much better, and it is a very great advantage.

Ko's idea of permanent insanity/afflictions for the undead is a good one. Equally good though is increasing the cost and making all of them come out with no afflictions.

[lch]

Alternatively, one could just remove the Chalice from the game, much like people sometimes take Astral Vortex out of the game through a mod if they think it's too strong.

I don't think that this is necessary, though. Late game needs *some* powerful endgame weapon to settle things, if this are Tartarians now or Abominations or something else. If you nerf Tartarians, something else will take their place.

[Xietor]

I am not necessarily calling for a nerf of tartarians. But tartarians with feeblemind, missing an arm, crippled are not equal to tartarians free of afflictions.

I think the chalice and goh are already potent enough without also being the only 2 methods to heal the best endgame unit.

Reasonable minds can differ. My opinion is just that-my opinion. It is not like the game is broke as is, it just places imho undue importance on getting either goh or chalice.

[Lingchih]

Can you wish for Health? If so, would that heal afflictions. Just curious.